http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demandQuote:
Originally Posted by AamesxDavid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
This isn't a black and white, binary scenario here.
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10-21-2011, 05:18 AMRentahamster
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10-21-2011, 05:19 AMWynnReally? Cause I can pretty much guarantee you when subs start if you pull up his character he'll be progressing along and paying for the priviledge because like most gamers, he's all talk. I know some will genuinely leave, but the majority won't. That includes the members of bluegartr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 05:22 AMRentahamsterUm, I'm trying to propose ideas here that could possibly increase total revenue, give more money to the devs, and definitely increase the user base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
I'm not trying to take advantage of anything, and if you think I am, then you're wrong.
Also, it's "ciao". -
10-21-2011, 05:27 AMStarlordSound like to me you are.. of course everyone is going to want this game for 5 bucks ( heck I would too), however is that fair for SE. No its not. Its called thinking of others in which you clearly lack of, they gave you a 1year for free and now you want them to charge 5 bucks for it with you giving a reason as to why it SHOULD be 5 bucks, rather then say Okay this is wrong that is wrong this is wrong= That's why it should be 5 bucks. but you didn't say that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
and I say it the way I want to say it
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10-21-2011, 05:32 AMBartel
I would definitely pay 5-6 bucks a month, and will absolutely not pay 12-14. It seems silly to think that a game that truly IS only half finished should be charging full price. Personally, I'm extremely happy with the direction the game is heading and even currently it's a vast improvement over 6 months ago, but I'm not paying full price... especially when for that price I could play a FINISHED game like WoW, Rift, or even Star Wars/Tera/GW2 on release.
You failed miserably.Quote:
Edit: My last attempt and try to makes sense out of it if not I'm done
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10-21-2011, 05:35 AMStarlordOh well, Greedy people will be GreedyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartel
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10-21-2011, 05:39 AMKalleraYour idea is totally dependant on people choices regarding the game to remain the same regardless of future releases. That's more than a little foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
Also, 5$ clearly isn't going to improve the corporate finances or the PR of this game until version 2. One can just avoid the drama altogether with the standard pricing.
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10-21-2011, 05:41 AMSeirra_LanzceSir this is where you are wrong, No MMO is a FINISHED game, and you have not been reading the interviews plastered around, Is been said that the game, will be almost 100% (Not finish, because to YoshiP; MMOs are never finish, that is why is not 100% and never will be for him).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartel
From there on is where you get to see where the or not to pay for full price or gtfo(from me personally, because you didnt read the whole thing and understand s**t) -
10-21-2011, 05:43 AMRentahamsterHow nice of you to assume that a fan like me, who wants this game to succeed, is not thinking of others because you don't understand the argument I'm making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
The reason why I'm saying that it might be a better idea to lower the price from $12 is because I don't think the PED will be as close to 1 as possible (at which point revenue is maximized) due to the reasons I explained earlier regarding the circumstances of this game.
If you truly think that the impetus for my proposal comes from some greedy desire to screw over SE, then you don't understand the point of this thread at all. -
10-21-2011, 05:45 AMStarlordYou surely lack the pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 05:45 AMRentahamsterThat's not what he means by "finished".Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
In the context Bartel was talking about, "finished" means "justitifes a $12 per month charge on par with other, more established MMOs". -
10-21-2011, 05:47 AMSeirra_LanzceWhichs mean he does not understand that after 1.20, it will be on par with other established MMOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 05:50 AMRentahamsterThat could very well be the case, but a large amount of people are still uncertain of that, for valid reasons. We won't truly know if 1.20 will be on par with other established MMOs until it actually comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
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10-21-2011, 05:51 AMRentahamsterPerhaps you should reread the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
Or read the rest of my posts in this thread:
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10-21-2011, 05:51 AMSeirra_Lanzcewe wont that is why SE says to look at it where there is worthy to pay or not, when 1.20 comes out :) There you go, so save you're brain cells and wait for 1.20 to come out to justify this!, if i find it still lacking after 1.20, i sure support your cause for a $5-$6 per month xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 05:51 AMStarlordExactly, Either they provide points as to why SE should reduce cost to 5 bucks or this thread is pointless.. like actual points.. like what makes this game so bad that its not worth of 12 bucks but 5... try that one.. because I havent seen it at all in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
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10-21-2011, 05:56 AMStarlordYoshi-p's Statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
If you don't like it at 1.20:
Feel free to come back at:
-1.21
-1.22
-1.23
Whatever feels right for you do so. Thats what Yoshi-P said.
Another words there's no plans of decreased sales and in one of those patch to a customer, the game will feel complete to that individual. They have a goal/plan and they are sticking to it.
As Yoshi-P said: Come back when you feel the game is up to par with YOUR standards.
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10-21-2011, 06:01 AMBelialI'll field this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
An incomplete battle system. Being charged with no Job system, seems premature.
However, hear me out. I feel SE shouldn't charge until 1.21. I'm perfectly fine with them charging in the near future as I find a large amount of enjoyment from this game, and I am certainly willing to pay full price. BUT... I want to experience the job system BEFORE I make a commitment to pay. My reasoning is that, the job system is to be tailored towards group content (which we can assume will include end-game content). If they charge us prior to the Job system, I believe that we will not get a true feel of what end-game will entail.
Now I know not everyone plays MMOs for end-game and that's fine. However, the majority of people play video games to beat them, take on the challenging aspects of the game (if FFXIV could be summed up in the first 10 levels we'd all be done playing already.) I think the playbase should have the opportunity to experience the job system prior to a subscription plan.
Whether or not anyone disagrees with me is a moot point, everyone has their personal reasons for supporting or combating the beginning of subscriptions (the majority of which are valid concerns from both sides of the fence). This is mine. I do not believe a lesser charge is necessary, and I don't believe subscriptions need to be held off until 2.0. I do, however, believe that charging us prior to job implementation is a bad idea.
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10-21-2011, 06:03 AMSeirra_LanzcePretty much legit, but not everyone will think like you, so you will be coming back on 1.21 yes? that shouldn't post a problem no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 06:06 AMBelialActually I will likely continue playing throughout. I sincerely hope that one of my posts will reach a bending ear and that it -may- be taken into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
And I certainly understand not everyone will think like me, I'm pretty positive I'm a minority, lol.
It just seems very unreasonable to tell the players: "We're gonna charge you three months prior to one of the more important aspects of the game that we have been hyping up for the past 6 months." -
10-21-2011, 06:08 AMRentahamsterActually, I'm pretty sure you will be able to try out the job system before you are asked to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 06:09 AMSeirra_LanzceWell, chap, you just got to accept it ;) They are starting to charge (maybe few days) after 1.20 patch comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
I would love it to be like your way, but is ok for me, because the way i see it now is more than enough :) -
10-21-2011, 06:11 AMBelialCharges commence with release of 1.20, Job implementation is 1.21, which will likely be 2-3 months after as per patch history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 06:11 AMBelialI do accept it. But only while gritting my teeth and squinting my eyes in disagreement. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
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10-21-2011, 06:14 AMStarlord2-3 months of Subbing before the actual meat you like= /cry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
They gave us 1 year free and lost millions upon millions. Did they cry? no they pressed forward and now look where they stand... -
10-21-2011, 06:14 AMRentahamsterYeah, I didn't catch the typo they made earlier. Just went back to look and saw it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post400479
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Originally Posted by Bayohne
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10-21-2011, 06:14 AMSeirra_LanzceDon't worry mon, im gritting my teeth on LS commands :< that is only available on 2.0 because of the stupid old team <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 06:20 AMReinheart
I got a question.... CE version people was supposed to get 30 free days right... but since the game was free all this time to both CE and regular version players..... do we get 30 free days from when the official payment starts? LOL
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10-21-2011, 06:25 AMKalleraI don't think there's a way to differentiate at this point...XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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10-21-2011, 06:26 AMBeliallulz. It's cute that you think your insult has any bearing on my opinion. (Or any merit, for that matter.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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10-21-2011, 06:29 AMChiefCurrahee
If we were able to take FFXIV ver. 1.19a back in time and give it to SE to launch FFXIV. Would you back then feel the game was worthy of a standard sub fee?
I think it would.
So whats the difference starting a sub fee after 1.20?
We've been playing with our current content for free. Thats a big hurdle to get over I know. But it's one we have to overcome, better sooner than later.
Sorry to put it bluntly, but, pay up or get out. Your free ride has come to an end. -
10-21-2011, 06:30 AMStarlordlol Its a Joke.. at this point I'm joking in this thread I said my internal peace :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 06:30 AMBelialYea, like I said, I believe it's unfortunate that they've decided to do this, but I do hope maybe they'll re-consider, or possibly push Jobs earlier. I doubt either will happen, but without speaking up it definitely won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 06:31 AMBelialWhen you accuse someone of "/cry" when they offer a valid and legimate concern, then that would be insulting. Especially one when the poster accepts the circumstances. Either way, moot point. I'm bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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Just to be clear I felt you were trying to entice me into a trollfest and I was responding in the same vein, such is the way of this forum, you can't pick out legitimate posters from those frothing at the mouth in anticipation of an angry response. lol -
10-21-2011, 06:35 AMStarlordBecause that's what this thread is /cry not point out you directly.. just the thread in generalQuote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 07:29 AMBelialYea, I get it, no harm no foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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10-21-2011, 07:43 AMStarlordWe good bro we good =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial
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10-21-2011, 08:23 AMRentahamsterThe thread is not about "/cry", and it's disingenuous for you to make that claim amidst a vast number of posts that contained reasoned arguments devoid of insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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10-21-2011, 08:31 AMStarlordAs I said I'm done with this Thread as all it is crying over money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-21-2011, 08:41 AMAlerith
It's a lot better if you stop using the "dur dur 50% game lulz" argument.
You aren't paying for 2.0.
You're paying for 1.0 and it's associated content.
In patch 1.20, FFXIV v.1.0 will be at a launch standard, where you will be asked to pay just like any other MMO.
Then, you get a free trial period when 2.0 comes out, to decide if that's a game you'd be interested in continuing to subscribe to. THEN the payment cycle for 1.0 ends and 2.0 begins.
If you don't want to pay $12 for FFXIV v1.0, then don't. Go relax, play some other games, then come back in the free trial for FFXIV v2.0.
But quit asking for the fee for 1.0 to be lowered. There's no purpose for it. SE is going to advertise and pull all the stops at E3 for version 2.0. A handful of players who choose to leave because of a full price subscription isn't going to change their marketing plans for the 2.0 release.