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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

The amount of posts a person has does not invalidate their right to say their piece. In fact, the more posts a person has makes me question them.

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The amount of posts does not, but the quality of posts does. So many people have come into these forums in the past few days touting how they are helping SE and SE should pay them and yet you look at their post history and they don't have a single quality post that offered any kind of input to SE. These are people who plain and simple are here to play a free game and are now pissed that they won't be able to anymore. They have zero interest in providing helpful input to anyone.

Additionally, in some cases the level 50 argument is valid (though granted most of the time it is not). Sitting here saying "OMG this game has nothing to do" when you are level 10 is bullshit. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The amount of posts does not, but the quality of posts does. So many people have come into these forums in the past few days touting how they are helping SE and SE should pay them and yet you look at their post history and they don't have a single quality post that offered any kind of input to SE. These are people who plain and simple are here to play a free game and are now pissed that they won't be able to anymore. They have zero interest in providing helpful input to anyone.

Additionally, in some cases the level 50 argument is valid (though granted most of the time it is not). Sitting here saying "OMG this game has nothing to do" when you are level 10 is bullshit. Plain and simple.

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And this is your idea of helpful, how many more of these "helpful posts" do you have for SE?

That is rhetorical btw, I don't want to know.

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Originally Posted by CatchaFire420

And this is your idea of helpful, how many more of these "helpful posts" do you have for SE?

That is rhetorical btw, I don't want to know.

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2/10 on the troll scale. I'm not providing input to SE, I'm discussing the game with people in this thread. You want to see my input, just read my post history. Nice try though.

So far if this is accurate about half the player base will quit..lol..
That's some pretty alarming numbers.. XD
And I can't blame a single one of them, for not wanting to pay full price for a half done game.

it was half done before patch 1.19 which was a huge patch. then there was a bit more with 19a. and didn't they say there would be another patch before we pay?? if there is. this is going to make the game more than half done

anyway half a game is better than no game, and when its done we will be getting a bargin. till its done i want to see every new bit of content as we get it. also what you miss from now till 2.0. will be missed forever you won't be able to go back and do all the quests. so i will be paying for some truely unquie content

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Originally Posted by Solace

So far if this is accurate about half the player base will quit..lol..
That's some pretty alarming numbers.. XD
And I can't blame a single one of them, for not wanting to pay full price for a half done game.

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This definitely may change by the time they start charging, but with the results up until today how is 30% of the votes against paying half?

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Originally Posted by Solace

So far if this is accurate about half the player base will quit..lol..
That's some pretty alarming numbers.. XD
And I can't blame a single one of them, for not wanting to pay full price for a half done game.

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I don't blame anyone either for leaving if they feel the game is not worth a sub yet. However, I sure wish they would stop crying about it because it isn't going to make SE change their mind. They should just come back when they feel it is good again. The rest of us will stay and support the game, provide feedback, and continue to be a part of this unique process.

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Originally Posted by Solace

So far if this is accurate about half the player base will quit..lol..
That's some pretty alarming numbers.. XD
And I can't blame a single one of them, for not wanting to pay full price for a half done game.

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math time!

500 yes + 250 no does not = 50% quitting


its actualy more around 30%

also, a HUGE dactio to remember, most people enjoying and playing DO NOT go into the forums, a majority of people who are in the forums are trolls and people who wanna just spout off every little problem they have, or people who are very involved with the game and discussions


if you did a real poll i bet youd have the same ammount of people saying they wont pay and well over 2-3 times of people saying they will

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

math time!

500 yes + 250 no does not = 50% quitting


its actualy more around 30%

also, a HUGE dactio to remember, most people enjoying and playing DO NOT go into the forums, a majority of people who are in the forums are trolls and people who wanna just spout off every little problem they have, or people who are very involved with the game and discussions


if you did a real poll i bet youd have the same ammount of people saying they wont pay and well over 2-3 times of people saying they will

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How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

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I'm sure they would rather have the paying customers they can get than no paying customers at all.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

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The fact you need activity to even post on these forums they can easily determine who does and doesn't play -- Their Vanadiel Census also proves they actually can tell the difference between "active" and "inactive" players. A lot of people didn't cancel SE accounts because they also play FFXI.

The day they start charging for subscriptions cannot get here soon enough! I personally can't wait to start paying and SE can clean house on the forums.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How many people (like me) havent bothered to cancel their accounts even though they dont log in much/ever since its been free for a while. Wonder if SE "thinks" they have more potential paying customers than they really do.

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they have ways of tracking user usage im sure, and they probly dont even count you at all

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

The day they start charging for subscriptions cannot get here soon enough! I personally can't wait to start paying and SE can clean house on the forums.

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Two things.

1) You people calling everyone trolls are illicitly trolling yourselves.
2) You trolls crying 'troll' are going to be sorely dissapointed when you realise that the majority the people who dissagree with you sometimes (or trolls as you call them, its all the same, right?) are here to stay. You think there will be reform on these forums? Fat chance.

Honestly have any of you 'cant wait for these trolls to be gone hurr durr' individuals ever been on the official FFXI forums?? Like.. they are not any better at all and everyone pays. So get your noses out of your belly buttons and keep snide remarks like that to yourself unless you are intentionally trying to antagonize the few who refuse to pay while you still can.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Two things.

1) You people calling everyone trolls are illicitly trolling yourselves.
2) You trolls crying 'troll' are going to be sorely dissapointed when you realise that the majority the people who dissagree with you sometimes (or trolls as you call them, its all the same, right?) are here to stay. You think there will be reform on these forums? Fat chance.

Honestly have any of you 'cant wait for these trolls to be gone hurr durr' individuals ever been on the official FFXI forums?? Like.. they are not any better at all and everyone pays. So get your noses out of your belly buttons and keep snide remarks like that to yourself unless you are intentionally trying to antagonize the few who refuse to pay while you still can.

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The main problem with FFXI forums is that community still have the BG community around, so even if they charged $50/month it will never be clean as long as they stick around -- FFXIV community is relatively young and clear of pure elitism, but those who are being called trolls literally do nothing but try to make things out to be worse than they are and never truly admit when XIV is actually getting better.

So those who are disagreeing with one another aren't on the same lines of those who do nothing but spread negativity.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

The main problem with FFXI forums is that community still have the BG community around, so even if they charged $50/month it will never be clean as long as they stick around -- FFXIV community is relatively young and clear of pure elitism, but those who are being called trolls literally do nothing but try to make things out to be worse than they are and never truly admit when XIV is actually getting better.

So those who are disagreeing with one another aren't on the same lines of those who do nothing but spread negativity.

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So basically what you are saying is that because there is no BG of FFXIV, the forums will be all rainbows and lollipops? How many poeple on these forums do you think are here not because they like the game (or want to), but because they don't have anything better to do than dissagree with people on ffxiv forums?

Ill see where the game is at before i start to pay. I have'nt logged much since there seems to be no end game content to really do cept kill 50 ifrit. Love the game and want to support SE so i might pay just so i can jump on everynow and then.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

So basically what you are saying is that because there is no BG of FFXIV, the forums will be all rainbows and lollipops? How many poeple on these forums do you think are here not because they like the game (or want to), but because they don't have anything better to do than dissagree with people on ffxiv forums?

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When you have groups of people who sit around specifically to mock people based on gear choices, or because they say "it's just a game", that's basically pure elitism. In terms of XIV, it's already known in-game versus forum community is quite different, so people who participate on the forums just to troll or just to go against people actually being positive about the game, are indeed trolls.

Even more so if they'll gladly pay just to spark arguments for no reason? That's trolling, merely disagreeing with someone or something isn't trolling.

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Originally Posted by Holland

You mean to say if we were at 2.0 already people would magically have money to pay for the game?.

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Hardly, what I am saying is that if the game was at 2.0 a lot more people would be inclined to pay for it. The game that is coming out with patch 2.0 is a completely different game than the one we see today.

If SE can be trusted then that means that most of the core issues plaguing the game would have been resolved and we would have finally moved out of Beta and into some actual bloody content.

That is why more people would be willing to rework their budgets, for example, to be able to continue to play the game. At that point in time the game will offer an actually fun experience. Not only that but SE would have restored more faith into the player base, faith that they themselves destroyed by coming out with beyond sub par work and expecting their fans/players/customers to take it up the behind.

Besides, in today's global economy every cent matters. SE needs to be more sensitive to their customers, especially if they want them to spend their hard earned money on their product. Sadly, it doesn't leave much room for error on their part.

That being said, I understand that that SE needs money to make this game work I just don't think they have the right to ask their players to pay for such an incomplete game, especially if they're not even going to offer a discount.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

When you have groups of people who sit around specifically to mock people based on gear choices, or because they say "it's just a game", that's basically pure elitism. In terms of XIV, it's already known in-game versus forum community is quite different, so people who participate on the forums just to troll or just to go against people actually being positive about the game, are indeed trolls.

Even more so if they'll gladly pay just to spark arguments for no reason? That's trolling, merely disagreeing with someone or something isn't trolling.

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There are one or two extremists on the official ffxiv forums, but just because there is always someone who has negative input on a positive thread doesnt mean that everyone who ever had a negative opinion is always negative in every positive thread. I'm fully aware of what a troll is.

In regards to my original message I was just trying to burst the rainbow/lollipops theory that the forums will magically clean themselves up. The forums will be just like they are now, except everyone will be paying 100% of a subscription to a game that is 50% complete.

im sorry but anyone who "cant wait" to be charged is being foolish....just stop...

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

im sorry but anyone who "cant wait" to be charged is being foolish....just stop...

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Does this mean you'll be leaving too? One can only hope.


I'm foolish then. Again... CAN'T WAIT!

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

Does this mean you'll be leaving too? One can only hope.


I'm foolish then. Again... CAN'T WAIT!

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Did you even read anything on the last page dude? Why are you being so catty? Anyways I will never know the answer to that as I am blocking you and everyone who says "can't wait to get charged so we can usher in a new era of rainbows and lollipops on these forums"

It's interesting that out of all the reader polls I've seen this is the only one that has a positive ratio of subscribers to nonsubscribers. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

Does this mean you'll be leaving too? One can only hope.


I'm foolish then. Again... CAN'T WAIT!

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"A fool and his money are soon parted."

Honestly, the other guy is right, these forums won't clean themselves up. Also, from posting in the past and disagreeing with certain people who ended up labeling me a troll, it seems that most of the people staying will be white knighters who cannot handle anyone speaking negatively about any aspect of the patches. Trolls are not people who simply disagree with certain things. Trolls are not the people who have strong opinions that differ from yours.

Trolls are people who log on the game once a month only so they can post on this forum and bash everyone they come across. Trolls are the people who come here and post nothing constructive.

If you want the forum to be filled with people who won't offer criticism, then feel free to want that. It won't happen though, because these "trolls" as you call them will still be here. Only, they aren't trolling.

I knew as soon as the first patch came that people started praising SE instead of bashing nearly everything about the patch, SE would charge. This feels like other people stated earlier in the thread, very, "Quick, let's start charging since they didn't complain as much this time and actually said we did good! Must mean they're ready to pay."

I'm glad there are people willing to pay for a 50% game though. I can spend my $15 on completed things that bring me happiness while those paying will be helping to fix the game that I will hopefully enjoy come 2.0.

I intend to stay on for as long as they keep up the current momentum; my only gripe is that they chose to implement pay to play before tearing out and replacing the godawful mess that is FF14's UI.

That certainly was a mouthful of nothing. Buh bye.


I voted yes. I enjoy the game and my awesome LS. It's why I've played from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

It's interesting that out of all the reader polls I've seen this is the only one that has a positive ratio of subscribers to nonsubscribers. /shrug

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Well DUH... you're on the official forums.

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

That certainly was a mouthful of nothing. Buh bye.


I voted yes. I enjoy the game and my awesome LS. It's why I've played from the beginning.

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A snarky queen, how original. Bye, thanks for paying for the overhaul so it might be worth coming back to in over a year.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

It's interesting that out of all the reader polls I've seen this is the only one that has a positive ratio of subscribers to nonsubscribers. /shrug

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That's weird cause every single one I've seen has the same results. Odd. Unless you're referring to some fansite where all the people who no longer even play this game like to go and gnash their teeth about it for god only knows what reason. Then, that would make sense wouldn't it? Perspective. It's a beautiful thing.

At least in the official forum all the polls show the same result:
More than half of the people who cast their vote decided to stay, most of the time it's even 2/3 of the people.

Btw, I voted with "yes" too, but I'm not gonna pay the first month of subscription because of exams as well as any other month when I have to do too much.
But I think it still counts as staying:)

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Originally Posted by Wynn

That's weird cause every single one I've seen has the same results. Odd. Unless you're referring to some fansite where all the people who no longer even play this game like to go and gnash their teeth about it for god only knows what reason. Then, that would make sense wouldn't it? Perspective. It's a beautiful thing.

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Unless you're referring to the official forums where all the people are fanboys for the game and praise every little thing SE does for god only knows what reason.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldHill

Unless you're referring to the official forums where all the people are fanboys for the game and praise every little thing SE does for god only knows what reason.

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Funny, you don't strike me as a fanboy

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Funny, you don't strike me as a fanboy

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Funny, the people who voted yes on the fansite polls don't seem like haters.

The white knighters for this game are overwhelming. It's like back in the day in the months after release, with the white knighters trying to prove the point that FFXIV was perfect and didnt need to be changed all over again.

I kind of want to pay to play this game just so I can " TROLL " them >:D is that bad?

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

The white knighters for this game are overwhelming. It's like back in the day in the months after release, with the white knighters trying to prove the point that FFXIV was perfect and didnt need to be changed all over again.

I kind of want to pay to play this game just so I can " TROLL " them >:D is that bad?

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It certainly shows exactly what kind of person you are, that's for sure :)

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

The white knighters for this game are overwhelming. It's like back in the day in the months after release, with the white knighters trying to prove the point that FFXIV was perfect and didnt need to be changed all over again.

I kind of want to pay to play this game just so I can " TROLL " them >:D is that bad?

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If you look anything like that Roegadyn in your sig—you can Troll me all night.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

It certainly shows exactly what kind of person you are, that's for sure :)

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Yep, the kind of person who loves getting under the skin of people who just can't seem to get over themselves :)

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Yep, the kind of person who loves getting under the skin of people who just can't seem to get over themselves :)

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And pay for it?

4Chan is free you know...

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Yep, the kind of person who loves getting under the skin of people who just can't seem to get over themselves :)

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You bore me. I miss Belgian.