Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

I've been a warrior main since May and just don't see the use of a Berserk macro, especially after leveling the healing jobs as well. So what if it's five seconds? I'd rather the healer use that time and mp for a couple of dots. If you lose aggro in five seconds after Berserk you aren't tanking very well.

Had a SMN with a Dreadwyrm book in Neverreap once.

Not glamoured, just using it as is.

DF is wild.

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Originally Posted by Knahli

Tell that to every, single Warrior with a Berserk macro.

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Every time I see a WAR's Berserk macro, I make sure I'm busy DPS'ing in Cleric Stance, if at all reasonably possible, just to have an excuse not to cleanse them. Petty? Yes, but so isn't their need to announce the state of their buffs (which I'm fully aware of as a healer) via <se.1-12> just to recoup 1.5 GCD's after 'zerking.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Sorry, this is bugging me, but I don't recall Garuda having anything that needed to be Esuna'd, so...Either my memory is bad, or something else was going on.

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Haven't done normal in a while, but do the feathers drop there that cause a damage over time like on hard and extreme?

Here is a tale from the doody finder.

It's a group of 8 in Chrysalis. most doing it from roulette but there is one healer new to the dungeon, had never been in there before. Wouldn't be in there now if Square hadn't jammed it down their throat in an MSQ railroad to hellsward. Get to the Meteors, die. Whole party wiped there after. Second run, get to the meteors, die. Whole party wipes. Full health, no health, boom you are dead. Stand outside the Meteor circle, stand inside the meteor circle, full health, no health, one shot, insta mechanic. Group votes to abandon. Seven players waste half an hour of their life, one gets humiliated twice.

There are days, I hate you six ways sideways, Square.

did i ever tell the one about the Vault run where I had two bards in the group?

They both refused to move for mechanics, and would sit at opposite ends of the room because "We can't move and attack anymore with WM, so we have to stand still". So, me being the healer who also has to stand still to cast, had to jump all over the room just to keep them alive.

They wouldn't even move to break the chains on the last boss.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Had a SMN with a Dreadwyrm book in Neverreap once.

Not glamoured, just using it as is.

DF is wild.

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I can beat that. I had a summoner with a NOVUS Weapon in Vault. Fun.

I'm a MCH main. I'm a SCH secondary. I was healing a run of The Aery once with a couple of friends, and we DFed the second DPS. They were a MCH. After seeing them play, I can understand why there are so few MCH mains, because people like this player give the class a bad name.....

Since other MCHs are rare in post-50 content, I was paying attention to what this player was doing. After not seeing them throw out their turret for the entire length of the dungeon prior to the first boss, I mentioned that I was a MCH main, and that they should remember it. Their response, (IIRC), was something along the lines of "sorry, I was trying to decide what movie I want to watch later". They then proceeded to not use their turret again throughout the entire run, except when we got to the final stage of the final boss.....

What's more, I never once saw this player use their DoT, their AoE, or make any real attempt to even remotely try. At one point near the end of the run, I asked if they minded if I gave them a little advice on the class, to which they responded "no", followed by "I don't want your advice". I don't mind players underpreforming if they simply don't know how to use a class, or they have some reason for why they're preforming the way they are, but it's another thing entirely when they simply don't make any effort to even try, and flat out refuse to use even the most basic of skills at their disposal....

EDIT: Though that wasn't my worst run of The Aery. My worst was a run with a tank that was using an iLevel 30 belt. His reasoning? He couldn't use his level 60 iLevel 180 one yet.....

While I DF as Monk, I've seen Paladin who already level 51 on Stone Vigil and don't know how to agro... (He is using ilv 110 gear) with level 49 White Mage who using... Dodore for crafter... And don't know how to heal too (Both is E... ). Suddenly my DF become nightmare with people who too much FATE and never dungeon...

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Originally Posted by Averax

did i ever tell the one about the Vault run where I had two bards in the group?

They both refused to move for mechanics, and would sit at opposite ends of the room because "We can't move and attack anymore with WM, so we have to stand still". So, me being the healer who also has to stand still to cast, had to jump all over the room just to keep them alive.

They wouldn't even move to break the chains on the last boss.

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.../facepalm

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

I can beat that. I had a summoner with a NOVUS Weapon in Vault. Fun.

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I accidentally ran a Seal Rock with my relic equipped a few weeks ago. I'd been working on books while in the queue and forgot to swap.

Finished with 7 kills and 1 death to a BLM who got lucky and managed to snare + LB me while purify was on cooldown. Didn't even notice my weapon was wrong until I'd loaded out. :p

Today while i was dungeon grinding for xp on my new dps class, I met a fun Gladiator tank who's exact words were "stop attacking other targets than what I am. 1 flash should be enough on all monsters"... Through half the dungeon, he refused to use flash to keep aggro (so of course, the healer, archer and myself as a rogue were pulling aggro) and kept blaming us for not attacking the same target as him whenever we pulled. After we complained a bit, he finally started (but refer to above quote). He'd flash once (and very often miss half the mob because he didn't understand its limited distance) and then the mobs would come running over to us and he'd complain. After trying to politely give him advice on what could help him keep aggro (as my main class is paladin), he said "other people need to stop telling me how to do my job. I know what I should do". Luckily, this was an easy dungeon (just sastasha). If it was anywhere else, I'm almost positive we would of wiped.

I just got out of Expert using my DRK with half Vit and Str accessories, the two dps thought I was going to die and the run was going to be hard. Turns out for them got to end boss, not a single wipe or aggro battle, got the commendations, popped on my Vit gear and told them gear doesn't make the player and left the run.

This made me chuckle. Just finished a Bismarck HM run. Tank gets knocked off in last phase, says "stun and aoe knocked me off the platform. thanks healers!" obviously trying to be demeaning and later adds "shield stops dmg to island and prevents stun" as if we didn't know

Last phase of Bismarck.
Bismarck.
Last phase.

You can't use the shield in the last phase.

ugh...

Sunken Temple of Qarn (HM) today. Comp was DRK(GF)/WHM/DRG/MCH(Me.)

I noticed the Dragoon wasn't maintaining Heavy Thrust. I also noticed they failed to do ANY AoE with a TP turret out on pulls of 2-3 groups of mobs (Qarn has a lot of artificial walls to prevent anything bigger than this.)

Then I noticed they used just Chaos thrust. Unprimed. Chaos Thrust. And then went back to spamming 1-2-3.

When we asked them if they were having trouble or understood how to play the job, they simply said "I just returned to the game." Well, ok. We get to the second boss (cactus lady) and I tell them to just focus on the boss - I'd take care of adds. But I wanted them to try and maintain heavy thrust while upkeeping their Disembowel / Chaos / Phleb.

Que the worst dragoon I've ever seen running around after adds, not maintaining EVERYTHING, and ultimately doing less DPS than the DRK (Which was par for the course.)

Right after the run, I finally just decided to kick them out of the party. We went to the next pull because - let's face it - their Tank-Level DPS wasnt' really gonna be a huge loss on the next pull.

We get a BLM replacement who starts to head to us, but the Healer stops healing mid pull. As soon as we all die to lack of heals, the healer straight-up leaves the party right after. A server check later showed they were both from Siren - so they probably que'd together. We had a replacement for them (who was a new player to the dungoun) and had some fun. They were a noticable improvement, and even though we wiped once on the boss due to them not understanding the mechanics, we still had fun and cleared on the second try.

Secondary Edit: All I can say is replacing that bad Dragoon was probably the best decision I made in that party. Giving them every benefit and just having them willfully not seek advice or just flat-up ignore suggestions to help them do more damage is a slap in the face. It's sort of a cherry on top that the WHM left and took a Cooldown for leaving a Lgiht party and knowing they had to wait an extra 30 minutes to subject someone else to their badness.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

We get a BLM replacement who starts to head to us, but the Healer stops healing mid pull. As soon as we all die to lack of heals, the healer straight-up leaves the party right after. A server check later showed they were both from Siren - so they probably que'd together. We had a replacement for them (who was a new player to the dungoun) and had some fun. They were a noticable improvement, and even though we wiped once on the boss due to them not understanding the mechanics, we still had fun and cleared on the second try.

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Ooh Siren, way to represent lol. Huzzah \o/

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

I can beat that. I had a summoner with a NOVUS Weapon in Vault. Fun.

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I've been grouped with players using Atma relics in Neverreap and Fractals. All their other stuff was high iLvl gear, but still ...

Final boss in the vault, the bard and me (AST) get chained, I run to a corner, the bard doesn't move, I die, wipe, bard leaves.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

ugh...


We get a BLM replacement who starts to head to us, but the Healer stops healing mid pull. As soon as we all die to lack of heals, the healer straight-up leaves the party right after. A server check later showed they were both from Siren - so they probably que'd together. We had a replacement for them (who was a new player to the dungoun) and had some fun. They were a noticable improvement, and even though we wiped once on the boss due to them not understanding the mechanics, we still had fun and cleared on the second try.

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Lol I'm from Siren and I'm afraid to ask who they were...

Did Leveling roulette as monk and got into Dusk Vigil. All went fine until the DRK missed getting behind a rock at around 30% HP on the boss. The SCH tried to keep him up, but he died.. I put on fists of earth, readied my CDs, and figured I could hang on until he provoked it. SCH swift casts raise.. good.. hitting boss.. waiting.. waiting.. CDs done, tossed second wind.. still no..

At 7% HP, I went for the LB2, just as the boss started his cast for the drawing in move. I got pulled to the center as the LB animation started.. brought him to 0. Inward cheer, then checked the DRK's classes..

Yup, no provoke. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by raela

Yup, no provoke. Oh well.

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But didn't you know that if SE had wanted DRK to have Provoke, they should have given them their own version? There's nothing outside of end-game raids that requires Provoke anyway... oh, wait.
(And yes, I'm somewhat snidely repeating arguments made by some dps/healer-gone-DRKs who don't want to bother getting their GLA up to 22...)

Ugh... Why do people coddle tanks so much?

A marauder, level 36, can't hold hate off a Bard's auto attacks so I'm tanking the entire time. They won't kick him because "He's new and I don't wanna kick someone that's new." He constantly ignores advice. Ignored requests to not charge into boss rooms until people explained it, ignored requests not to waste LB on Tank LB.

Seriously. This is why we have bad tanks in endgame. People coddle them so much and treat them like a special little snowflake.

In A3, a PLD fucked up on pulling the boss for some reason, if I had remembered that you need to keep the hand in the middle upon trying to salvage the attempt, we would've survived.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Ugh... Why do people coddle tanks so much?

A marauder, level 36, can't hold hate off a Bard's auto attacks so I'm tanking the entire time. They won't kick him because "He's new and I don't wanna kick someone that's new." He constantly ignores advice. Ignored requests to not charge into boss rooms until people explained it, ignored requests not to waste LB on Tank LB.

Seriously. This is why we have bad tanks in endgame. People coddle them so much and treat them like a special little snowflake.

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Level 36 is a lil late to use that excuse, he should be holding hate by now.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

Level 36 is a lil late to use that excuse, he should be holding hate by now.

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As a marauder against a bard?
But well, I don't like kicking new players either, I'm quite patient with them, but if they don't accept any advice - or if they enter a dungeon as marauder although they should be a warrior by now - begone, sucker.

Was leveling in Qarn Normal. Had a dark knight who thought it'd be a good idea to pull first two mobs together, we wiped and then he blamed dps, told us to quit ffxiv and then asked to be kicked from group. First time ive ever seen a tank try to pull the first 2 sets of mobs in qarn.
None of us were lvl sync'd either apart from the tank not sure why he thought it'd be possible. drk dont really have a lot of cd at that lvl and a monk and mch doesnt seem like a good combo for aoe stuff down. he pulled again after he complained for 5mins, thought he would just take the first set this time but nope, after we went up he started going down to the 2nd set again

Was probably the worst start to a dungeon run, ive had in a long time. Managed to get someone from linkshell to replace the tank so not all bad.

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Originally Posted by Fluestergras

As a marauder against a bard?

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yeah , warrior get Defiance at lvl 30 so no excuse for not holding agro .....overpower x2 is all thats needed (and 1 flash to save TP) ....

edit : NVM lol , lvl 36 and still MRD instead of WAR /sigh

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

yeah , warrior get Defiance at lvl 30 so no excuse for not holding agro .....overpower x2 is all thats needed (and 1 flash to save TP) ....

edit : NVM lol , lvl 36 and still MRD instead of WAR /sigh

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YEAP.... XD

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

yeah , warrior get Defiance at lvl 30 so no excuse for not holding agro .....overpower x2 is all thats needed (and 1 flash to save TP) ....

edit : NVM lol , lvl 36 and still MRD instead of WAR /sigh

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That's my point :D

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Ugh... Why do people coddle tanks so much?

A marauder, level 36, can't hold hate off a Bard's auto attacks so I'm tanking the entire time. They won't kick him because "He's new and I don't wanna kick someone that's new." He constantly ignores advice. Ignored requests to not charge into boss rooms until people explained it, ignored requests not to waste LB on Tank LB.

Seriously. This is why we have bad tanks in endgame. People coddle them so much and treat them like a special little snowflake.

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Ironically, I dealt with something similar on Bray. The tank was also a Marauder, which meant I was massively out DPSing him as a Monk. I ended up forced to tank the dragon and constantly keep popping second wind/bloodbath since the healer wasn't great either. Being new at the time, being thrown in the fire was interesting, xD.

At least the tank asked why he was struggled so much, and asked for advice after we cleared.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Ironically, I dealt with something similar on Bray. The tank was also a Marauder, which meant I was massively out DPSing him as a Monk. I ended up forced to tank the dragon and constantly keep popping second wind/bloodbath since the healer wasn't great either. Being new at the time, being thrown in the fire was interesting, xD.

At least the tank asked why he was struggled so much, and asked for advice after we cleared.

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Hell if they actually listen they're a vast improvement over your typical tank. -.-

Had another winner today. A healer and their little Bard friend from Balmung.

We clear the first boss without any problems - but right after, the Bard decides to talk shit, telling me that "Doing adds is a thing."

Funnily enough: I had actual done more DPS to the adds than they did. So I kicked them for talking ****. Their healer friend rage-DC'd and it was the funniest thing in the world to me.

God I love stupid people. And people with the word "Princess" in their name really try to live up to the fake standard, huh?

http://i.imgur.com/dodTXbo.png

I don't even deny I'm an asshole sometimes. But I love it when people try to talk **** when they do less DPS to both the both and the add than you did.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

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^ He said one thing and you kicked him? You're not an asshole, you just have paper thin skin.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

I'M AN ASSHOLE

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Don't worry, if it makes you feel better, I'm an asshole too sometimes. But that's because certain people really know how to grind your gears. .-.

I remember when I was leveling WHM, playing SCH for so long got me used spare some DPS from time to time, depending on the tank. So, I was in Brayflox Longstop, which is quite popular when it comes to horror stories, as a WHM. I had a PLD that was... eh... below average. You know, that one that is allergic to defensive cooldowns. However I was confident I could DPS regardless.

Trash pulls went smooth. First boss time!: The tank pulls, so I determine how much time for DPSing I've got based on how much damage the tank takes. I was in Cleric, helping the DPS then I see the tank dropping below 20%. So I'm like "Yeah, it's time for some healing". I double tap Cleric Stance by accident (Come on, it happened to you too), I see no defensive cds being used and the tank dies. I apologized for the mistake, I told him I was going to spare more healings and it was just an accident, which happens.

The tank started to rant "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU LET ME DIE. I am not going to tank anymore with a healer that is DPSing." Once again, I told him it was an accident, that I'm learning how to balance the healing/DPS on WHM and it was mostly the first time it ever happened to me as said job. The MNK asked the tank to "grow a pair" and get in the boss' area so we can keep going. The tank sent them to hell and he just decided sit outside, saying he was not going to run this dungeon with us anymore. He started to brag about how good he was. So, I started to get mad and insulted his lack of skill by no using a single cd and told him to get in and stop wasting our time. He went afk right after that. I initiated a vote kick. The DPS didn't care at all, actually they voted "yes" so yeah. We got a new tank and the run went smooth. I was not going to let the party wait for a tank that doesn't want to do anything because of a single mistake.

I understand I've made a mistake, we can argue about me practicing in DF is not a brilliant idea. However being a complete butt and prideful over it, reacting like a child, is not going to make the situation any better. When people make mistakes, I just nod, tell them it's okay and just keep going.

Reminds me of certain tanks I had the chance to meet in DF. That kind of tank that tell the DPS "If you pull, you tank". I'll respect that policy but I don't like that. I play healer most of the time in DF, so yeah... don't ask me to not heal them when they pull, because I'll punch your nipples. I'll not let the DPS die even if they engaged in, because I am slowing the run down by doing so. If you don't want to do your job because of your policy, you don't have the right to ask me to not do mine. And yes, I had some situations like this in DF. People need to keep their pride in their pocket and play the game.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

^ He said one thing and you kicked him? You're not an asshole, you just have paper thin skin.

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Pfffffffffft. You're funny, you know that? :3

I don't tolerate bad players. I especially dont' tolerate bad players that make an ass of themselves by opening their mouth when they do substantially less damage to adds / less damage overall than I do. To me, it's easier to just kick the bigmouthes like this and laugh at them than it is to deal with them for a prolonged period of time.

Thick skin or impatience - well, that's all dependant on who's looking through the glass, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Pfffffffffft. You're funny, you know that? :3

I don't tolerate bad players. I especially dont' tolerate bad players that make an ass of themselves by opening their mouth when they do substantially less damage to adds / less damage overall than I do. To me, it's easier to just kick the bigmouthes like this and laugh at them than it is to deal with them for a prolonged period of time.

Thick skin or impatience - well, that's all dependant on who's looking through the glass, isn't it?

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Either you're 13 years old or you're living in a snow globe filled with your unrealistic ideas. I'm sure you're the life of party wherever you go.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

Either you're 13 years old or you're living in a snow globe filled with your unrealistic ideas. I'm sure you're the life of party wherever you go.

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A very eloquent, and fact-filled arguement. Yes, I must say, you are the very pinnacle of proving a point! What with throwing out baseless assertions :3 You are very funny, you know that?

I won't drop to such a level as to throw irrelevant insults your way, but feel free to continue thinking they grant any amount of credence to your point. It's quite adorable the way you squirm.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

A very eloquent, and fact-filled arguement. Yes, I must say, you are the very pinnacle of proving a point! What with throwing out baseless assertions :3 You are very funny, you know that?

I won't drop to such a level as to throw irrelevant insults your way, but feel free to continue thinking they grant any amount of credence to your point. It's quite adorable the way you squirm.

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Nah, you'll just kick me from your group for baseless reasons.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Ugh... Why do people coddle tanks so much?

A marauder, level 36, can't hold hate off a Bard's auto attacks so I'm tanking the entire time. They won't kick him because "He's new and I don't wanna kick someone that's new." He constantly ignores advice. Ignored requests to not charge into boss rooms until people explained it, ignored requests not to waste LB on Tank LB.

Seriously. This is why we have bad tanks in endgame. People coddle them so much and treat them like a special little snowflake.

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Marauder's don't have a tank stance (Nor Butcher's Block IIRC). Trying to hold hate off a Dragoon or a Bard as a Marauder is pretty much impossible. I say this because Dragoon's get their burst rotation first, so they do big numbers early on and Bards are the class of Burst pre 3.0, even post 3.0 Content a good Bard can burst almost as High as a Machinist and Machinist's burst is probably higher than all other classes.

This isn't a bad tank, this is a bad development of the game for early content and its been repeatedly noted that tanks have it hard holding threat on early content.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

Nah, you'll just kick me from your group for baseless reasons.

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Baseless? Nope. Nothing baseless about my reasons for kicking the player. Again:

-> They do less damage than you do to the adds.
-> They do less overall damage than you do.
-> They still decide to open their mouth and try to call you out, because they think they're good.

Plenty of reasons in my book.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

Marauder's don't have a tank stance (Nor Butcher's Block IIRC). Trying to hold hate off a Dragoon or a Bard as a Marauder is pretty much impossible. I say this because Dragoon's get their burst rotation first, so they do big numbers early on and Bards are the class of Burst pre 3.0, even post 3.0 Content a good Bard can burst almost as High as a Machinist and Machinist's burst is probably higher than all other classes.

This isn't a bad tank, this is a bad development of the game for early content and its been repeatedly noted that tanks have it hard holding threat on early content.

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level 36 marauder was the issue. I do mean that quite literally - he was not a Warrior.

Also, Warriors are known for having a VERY easy time holding threat post-30 because of Defiance. Tank stance is rediculously powerful, especially with Warriors and overpower for AoE tanking.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

level 36 marauder was the issue. I do mean that quite literally - he was not a Warrior.

Also, Warriors are known for having a VERY easy time holding threat post-30 because of Defiance. Tank stance is rediculously powerful, especially with Warriors and overpower for AoE tanking.

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Yes Warrior's have a easy time holding threat, Marauders do not.

Tank Stance is ridiculously powerful, and so is butcher's block.

As I said, this isn't about a bad Tank, this is about a player who has not been instructed to seek out obtaining their Job Crystal and using Tank stance. Obviously if he just started the game he could be maybe a week or so into the game and therefore does not have someone advising him to seek out the Job Guy in Costa Del Sol.

Honestly, a Dragoon can tank any of the Lv49 and under dungeons anyways, the best thing to do is to advise the Warrior that he would have a hard time holding threat and that after the dungeon he should seek out his Job Crystal in Costa Del Sol. Not get on a forum and give him shit for being new.