SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

[B]Patch 1.18 was hyped so much as the patch that would save the game but it looks like it was a massive disaster from every aspect. All i see is threads that complain about it everywhere and these are not just the trolls.

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You' have quite the selective reading my feriend.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-1.18-ROCKS%21

Notice the 170+ likes?

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Originally Posted by Nero

So many people with this view is alarming? Well yeah.. it should ring a bell that you are wrong maybe about how you think exploiting is the way to go? All the time in the World? Seriously listen.. You need 4 Hours to get 100k SP in a Combatclass.. if i would have all the time in the World i would level 20 Hours a day and not just 4 and would have everything at 50. Get real please.

6 Hours for a rankup pre-patch? i lol'd.. You are seriously doing something wrong. If you are not able to do some simple Math about how much SP you can get now a hour, i really cant help you. If it took you 6 Hours to burn 8 leves.. i really really cant help you and dont want to.

And yes i go out and grind.. i explore the Areas of the Game and will have Fun. Im sorry for all those lazy people who cant exploit anymore.. im SOOOO sorry for you. Im getting sarcastic here... <_<

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Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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stop being such a negative nannygoat

The point is that the game's usual means of SP gains have been reduced, and we're all getting our panties in a bunch over it. It's not fun when you're rank 48, and so close to rank 49, and the gusher has been turned off.

Instead of a brisk jog towards your goal (or for those with very limited amounts of time, sprinting), you're being forced to crawl towards it.

I'm getting tired of the Japanese developers thinking that adding limitations equals gameplay/progression.

I bet Tanaka had a role in limiting the SP and adding these cooldown timers for Behest (that's the only thing that gives decent SP now!). As a rank 21 Conjurer, it was VERY painful trying to rank up solo on Leves - I didn't even get half a level bar on three leves!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP.

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And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.

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I ranked mainly on behest.

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And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.

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Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

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The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No, differently from people that play Final Forum XIV like you, I tend to sleep, and have a job :D



Nope. ONE way of ranking up has been lowered in order to even out the ranking field. That doesn't equated to "nerfing ranking up". The fact that that one happened to be your personal favourite (and by ranking up solely that way you were already doing it wrong) has no bearing to the fact that most other ways of leveling are pretty much the same and a LOT of SP has been added to activities that had one and party grinding has been considerably improved due to the addition of beastmen camps.

Thus, you're the one that's falsely accusing someone of laying. Guess that makes you the liar.

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For the last time (read carefully), Behest was the most efficient way of ranking up, that's why it was the main one I used. As such it was the standard of peak SP gain. The only way Yoshi would have kept his word would have been adding or enhancing the other ways to gain SP so that they would provide the same amount of SP/hour post-patch that Behest used to provide pre-patch.

None of the ways added or changed post-patch provide anything close to the amount of SP/hour Behest gave. And so he lied. I can't possibly explain it any simpler than that.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Bro, you still doing this? you really only played literary a day of this patch and your complaining about sp you never searched for, all your complaining about is Leves at this point or at least in most of your post, You ignore the fact that I found stuff that has good source of sp and your still complaining on here... I think the forum Community brainwashed you... =(.

Go to the places I suggested and even dungeons you will have your sp gain .....

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's why you might want to try doing something ELSE than behest, considering that there are a TON of ways of ranking, and encouraging people to mindlessly do the same thing over and over for hours on end isn't exactly the true definition of quality game development.

Your equation Nerfing behest = nerfing ranking up simply doesn't hold water.

You're the one that refuses doing anything else, hence you're the one that's nerfing his own progression.



Because it is. Actually, considering all the new ways to rank up, it's improved.

removing focus from behest =\= nerfing ranking up.

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Actually, I think you're wrong. This is what it is like:

Pre-existing means of SP gain has been nerfed.

New means of gaining SP have been added.



This spells a VERY common modus operandi by the devs: Add something, something else gets taken away.

Seriously? Is that how they think? Duuuude, not even the West does that garbage.

If we're going to add more SP generation options, leave the other SP generation options alone. The idea is to encourage players to use them all equally, not discourage us from one or the other as a means of getting us to do the new SP options.

That's just pavlovian bullsh*t.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Yeah right.. only content in the Game are Failing Leve-links and Behest. lol

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I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

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Again read my other post :/

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Mommymommy,
the other kid took my toys away.

Grow up. They can do with this game, your account,
and all your characters what they want, and when they want.

I think an "adjustment" to the leveling speed was absolutely adequate.
And if he "lied" (which he didn't, that's only the way you chose to interprete his words),
this at least spared us the forum drama before the patch.

It's hard enough to stand the drama after.

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It's cool if you are OK with him lying. That's your choice. I feel the least they could provide us with is honesty.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.



And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.



The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

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Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

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Originally Posted by CatchaFire420

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

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How is nerfing the SP in leves considered "encouraging for solo play"? As I see it, it just DRIVES away the solo players for the most part, because they can't justify wasting three hours on leves for an amount of SP that is less than what it was pre-patch.

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Originally Posted by CatchaFire420

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

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DING DING DIGGGADY DONG! WE HAVE A WINNER! I think I said this 50 gazillion times!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

For the last time (read carefully), Behest was the most efficient way of ranking up, that's why it was the main one I used. As such it was the standard of peak SP gain. The only way Yoshi would have kept his word would have been adding or enhancing the other ways to gain SP so that they would provide the same amount of SP/hour post-patch that Behest used to provide pre-patch.

None of the ways added or changed post-patch provide anything close to the amount of SP/hour Behest gave. And so he lied. I can't possibly explain it any simpler than that.

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And you know how, mister level 36?

You don't even have a clue how ranking up really is in FFXIV, You're not even halfway through it to be precise.

Behest has never been the most efficent way to level up. Leve linking with a static party of 4 was. The problem before was that most people were left with downtimes and massively repeatitive behest between leve periods, Now there's a lot more to do to rank up.

The fact that YOU level up slower because you refuse to try anything else doesn't mean that everyone does.

Besides, if you don't understand why behests have been limited, you have no idea of what makes a quality game. Encouraging players to do the same thing over and over isn't exactly the peak of game development.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's why you might want to try doing something ELSE than behest, considering that there are a TON of ways of ranking, and encouraging people to mindlessly do the same thing over and over for hours on end isn't exactly the true definition of quality game development.

Your equation Nerfing behest = nerfing ranking up simply doesn't hold water.

You're the one that refuses doing anything else, hence you're the one that's nerfing his own progression.



Because it is. Actually, considering all the new ways to rank up, it's improved.

removing focus from behest =\= nerfing ranking up.

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There can be a million new ways to gain SP now. If none of them provide as much sp/hour as behest did (which they don't) then ranking up = nerfed. So simple to understand.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

There can be a million new ways to gain SP now. If none of them provide as much sp/hour as behest did (which they don't) then ranking up = nerfed. So simple to understand.

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I don't even need to repeat this. It's simple mathematics.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

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So now did you talk to "half the playerbase?" Did they give you lieu to talk for them?

If you're having trouble with SP right now, you're doing it wrong, exactly like Kensei. Guess what? Many already said that they don't have such trouble.

It's quite evident that if some manage and some don't, some are doing it right and some are simply doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

stop being such a negative nannygoat

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I'm negative for pointing out the facts? Then ignore this thread and tell yourself you can rank up as fast before if it makes you happy.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch?

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No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Does this mean that ranking up is now slower?

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No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

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No.

Read the Producers Letter again. Regular SP'ing is still the same and also with a little improvement. And since you never did it a regular way.. how do think you know anything about it?

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Sure it is.

You said SE lied to us. Obviously SE didnt, since regular SP-Parties didnt get "nerfed". Stop talking about things you never did, obviously dont want to do, and prolly never will be, since the Game will going towards this direction more in the Future.

Kthxbye

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.



And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.



The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

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I now realize why you don't understand. You truly don't think behest was proved to be the best sp/hour gain. Nothing I can do for ignorance.

I like the new SP system, 3 weeks to rank 50 was a very bad idea, now we have challenge and more time to spend on our classes ---> more fun
but yoshi lied to us, it's true ^.^

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Originally Posted by Kensei

For the last time (read carefully), Behest was the most efficient way of ranking up.

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Read carefully.. this is the last time i will say it, since i now will not go into this Thread anymore. This clusterfuck of Brainfarts is starting to annoy me.

So again.. read carefully. Behest NEVER WAS the most efficient way of ranking up. If you didnt try anything else, than that is your Problem. You cant blame anyone for beeing stubborn and burn only Behest and Leves.

Tell me one Behest were you could get 35k/hour, then i will agree.. if you cant. See you, have a nice day.. there is the door. ->

and you guys want the cap raised to 99

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Bro, you still doing this? you really only played literary a day of this patch and your complaining about sp you never searched for, all your complaining about is Leves at this point or at least in most of your post, You ignore the fact that I found stuff that has good source of sp and your still complaining on here... I think the forum Community brainwashed you... =(.

Go to the places I suggested and even dungeons you will have your sp gain .....

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Star I told you yesterday in-game the amount of SP I was getting. I went to the beastmen camps and it was 80-89SP per kill. That's why I said that I thought maybe fatigue was still implemented but hidden or something because of how pathetically low the SP gain was.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

There can be a million new ways to gain SP now. If none of them provide as much sp/hour as behest did (which they don't) then ranking up = nerfed. So simple to understand.

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Party grinding mobs at beastmen camps and dungeons is just an example of activities that provide WAY more SP than behest did.

Oh, by the way, I'll let you know that after level 35 behest, even before the patch, became WAY less efficent in leveling up, with way less experience per mob.

But of course how would you know, since you're just a mouthy level 36 that thinks he can teach people that got 10 times his experience how to level? :D

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I now realize why you don't understand. You truly don't think behest was proved to be the best sp/hour gain. Nothing I can do for ignorance.

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I'm sure you realize that you running in circles flailing your arms and shouting "behest were the best SP/Hour gain!!!!" is in no shape of form any evidence of anything.

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Originally Posted by Nero

No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.



No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.



No.

Read the Producers Letter again. Regular SP'ing is still the same and also with a little improvement. And since you never did it a regular way.. how do think you know anything about it?



Sure it is.

You said SE lied to us. Obviously SE didnt, since regular SP-Parties didnt get "nerfed". Stop talking about things you never did, obviously dont want to do, and prolly never will be, since the Game will going towards this direction more in the Future.

Kthxbye

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^ This times 100000 People need to search for ways to sp not this " Fail leves anymore" or " Behest every 30 mins" No body ever ( besides raptor parties) has ever did a Grind party, so now its time to find this source of Grinding ( people just need to look for it)

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Originally Posted by alexi14

He's rank 50. He got his SP in easy mode. I am seriously a hard core leveler. I went from p-lvl 37-50 in 1.5 weeks. I know how to rank up, and I KNOW that with this system of SP, the ONLY effective way to rank up and get consistent EXP now is solo grinding. And even then, with the raise in cure mp requirement, and low SP mobs drop, and the time it takes to kill a mob, the exp is going to be super low.

The only people who won't care are the people botting.

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That's about as much bs as I can stand. I am certainly not botting and I am quite happy with the changes. Partly because I LOVE a challenge. Especially in an mmo which is not something you see very often. I truly feel for you and all the other whiners who think things are too tough now! >.>
On a Happier note perhaps this patch will weed out the weaklings!!! :D yaya!!!!

P.S. Am I the only one here who has fun just playing the game? I don't care if it takes me 3 days to level! I play because I have fun running around with people killing monsters :)

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Originally Posted by Nero

You said SE lied to us. Obviously SE didnt, since regular SP-Parties didnt get "nerfed". Stop talking about things you never did, obviously dont want to do, and prolly never will be, since the Game will going towards this direction more in the Future.

Kthxbye

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Do regular SP parties provide the same sp/hour as behest did pre-patch? No. Ranking up = nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Star I told you yesterday in-game the amount of SP I was getting. I went to the beastmen camps and it was 80-89SP per kill. That's why I said that I thought maybe fatigue was still implemented but hidden or something because of how pathetically low the SP gain was.

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I was getting 210, so I dont know where you getting this 80-90 sp from but alright " look elsewhere" and Lahin said you were with him on the first day of patch and did leves and got awesome sp out of them like 4k from kills and 6k for completeing it and now your saying its not " get a group a fight" this game isnt solo based anymore Im sorry to say, soloing really isnt an option for the most part unless your at my rank 47 killing 49 Beastmen getting 210 a kill then its soloing

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Do regular SP parties provide the same sp/hour as behest did pre-patch? No. Ranking up = nerfed.

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yes, they do. actually quite a lot more.

Over 20 hours of QQing - think of all the SP you could have gained instead!

I didn't read the 39+ pages of QQingness, but how was SP/week on average nerfed when you no longer have the fatigue system?

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Do regular SP parties provide the same sp/hour as behest did pre-patch? No. Ranking up = nerfed.

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What the hell are you talking about? I do regular SP-Parties every day? SO what? On 40's i get atm like 30.000+ a hour, in high 40's it will go up to around 35.000. Can you read these numbers? There is no Behest in this Game where you ever got 30.000 SP in one friggn hour.. Stop beeing a fool.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Do regular SP parties provide the same sp/hour as behest did pre-patch? No. Ranking up = nerfed.

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I'm starting to get rather annoyed Kensei.. HE DIDNT NERF THE SP... HE BALANCED IT, SP GAINS WERE FAR TOO FAST THAT PEOPLE WERE GETTING TO RANK 50 IN A WEEK OR 2 THIS IS A MMO NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME...

ok I feel better now..... =) I hate repeating myself like a skinking Jack in a boxx...... daaa daaa daa daa dadada da da da da da daaaaaaaaaa da da da da dadada POP GOES THE DODO!

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I was getting 210, so I dont know where you getting this 80-90 sp from but alright " look elsewhere" and Lahin said you were with him on the first day of patch and did leves and got awesome sp out of them like 4k from kills and 6k for completeing it and now your saying its not " get a group a fight" this game isnt solo based anymore Im sorry to say, soloing really isnt an option for the most part unless your at my rank 47 killing 49 Beastmen getting 210 a kill then its soloing

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The problem with leves is that they can only be done 8 times every 36 hours which is why they can't be considered for a constant sp gain. There is nothing after the patch that gives as much SP/hour as behest used to. That's why it was a lie when Yoshi said ranking up wouldn't be affected.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

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So it seems to me that the people telling you that Behest is not the best way to level, that it was leve's, are not incorrect as you have been telling them. You simply did not look deeply into the other ways of ranking up because you felt it was less sp and a waste of time. You did not know that there were other ways of gaining SP at a faster rate.

Due to this, the one way that you did rank up has been nerfed. Since you yourself said you did not know of the failing method on leves (which if you had given leves a try, I am sure you would have discovered this fact very quickly) and you only ranked up though behest I can see why you would be upset.

Maybe you should listen to others in the thread who have tried multiple ways of ranking and experimented, and the people who are figuring out the new ways post-patch to gather SP and try them. Behest is by far -not- the only way (or the best way before this patch) to rank up in this game, by saying you wouldn't try anything else that might not give as much SP seems a bit closed minded. It seems that you're set in your ranking ways and don't really want to try anything new, and some people are like that in many aspects of life and in games.

But I do hope that you can adjust and find a new way of ranking other than Behests.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Everything gives less SP like it was explained in the first post and by several other players along the pages.

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I will have to disagree on this point, but from the view of a crafter/botanist.

I am a R43 Alchemist and I did four leves for my craft, two R40 and two R45. Not only did I get the same basic SP per synth as I crafted each one, but when I turned them in I got roughly a 3.2k bonus at the end for the R40’s and a 3.6k bonus for the R45’s.

So for about 30 minutes of work:

R40 Leves :::
250sp (roughly) a synth x 6 synths = 1500 x 2(for the two 40’s) = 3000

3000sp + 6400sp (3.2k for turning in each one) = 9400sp

R45 Leves :::
480sp (roughly) a synth x 8 synths = 3840 x 2 (for the two 45’s) = 7680

7680sp + 7200sp (3.6k for turning in each one) = 14880

So in all for about 30 min of work ::: 9400 + 14880 = 24,280 SP for my Alchemist.


With botany I had much of the same result, I was still getting SP per logging/harvesting that I received and then when I completed the leve I received roughly a 2k bonus for doing that. So no, in this circumstance everything does not give less SP since this new patch.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

You know what's funny. That's about the 5th time since this update that I've seen people raging about something that Yoshi clearly stated would be the case in one of his newsletters.

If only people read and paid attention...

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

But then, not unexpected. This happens in every MMO after every major patch that changes up something in how it's played. There's a lot of people who simply don't like to step outside their comfort zone and do something different. They'll rage against change every time they're faced with it.

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I agree on both accounts. It was pointed out that this would occur, so I don’t see where all the issues are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Then Mr. Level 12, please tell me what the main method of leveling is now. Since you are oh so knowledgeable.

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You do realize that some people are using fake characters since SE is forcing people to show name/server/class. Also if people do show their character, you do realize that SE allows you to pick which job you wish to show? You can not assume that the character they display is their actual character.

Anyway they seem a lot more logical that most of the other people on this thread, so I’d take advice from a level 12 in this circumstance as well.

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Originally Posted by Nero

What the hell are you talking about? I do regular SP-Parties every day? SO what? On 40's i get atm like 30.000+ a hour, in high 40's it will go up to around 35.000. Can you read these numbers? There is no Behest in this Game where you ever got 30.000 SP in one friggn hour.. Stop beeing a fool.

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This. Actually I've seen about 40k/hour multiple times on the best parties.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

The problem with leves is that they can only be done 8 times every 36 hours which is why they can't be considered for a constant sp gain. There is nothing after the patch that gives as much SP/hour as behest used to. That's why it was a lie when Yoshi said ranking up wouldn't be affected.

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And your point is? The only things anyone ever did was leves and behests ( aside from Raptor parties) NO one ever grinded for sp.... at all... I mean ... at all... and I know quite a few spots to grind for sp...

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I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

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Well, Kensei, you more sound like a retard potato if you believe Behest was the best way to level up... With leve failing (especially the peiste one) we easily racked in 17k SP with one single leve... and with eight leves in a row (and no half-hour wait in between) ... well, do the math ^^/

Stop your childish, embarassing drama already. Maybe Yoshi did trick you into believing something that nobody else believed. Or just a few potatoes. For me (and most of us) it was *quite* clear some changes to the EXP (and MP) systems were overdue. It's called experience. Or common sense. Or realism. But the most important part is: nobody cares about how you personally feel about it.

Maybe you are too inexperienced with MMOs to understand that whenever there's an "uber" method/ability/thing, it will naturally be adjusted with the next patch? Please open up another thread titled:

[SIZE="7"]Squeenix is so mean. They lied. I hate you all. I quit.[/SIZE]

At least have some style.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I'm starting to get rather annoyed Kensei.. HE DIDNT NERF THE SP... HE BALANCED IT, SP GAINS WERE FAR TOO FAST THAT PEOPLE WERE GETTING TO RANK 50 IN A WEEK OR 2 THIS IS A MMO NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME...

ok I feel better now..... =) I hate repeating myself like a skinking Jack in a boxx...... daaa daaa daa daa dadada da da da da da daaaaaaaaaa da da da da dadada POP GOES THE DODO!

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He didn't say in the letter he was balancing it, he said it wouldn't be affected at all and since nothing after the patch provides as much SP as behest before the patch ranking up is now slower, which means it was affected. So he lied.

Look, we've been friends for some time and I respect you. If you are pleased with the way the game is now than I am truly happy for you dude and am glad you enjoy it so much.