Cosmic Exploration is CASUAL content with a pinch of midcore

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

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I used mounts as an example of your wider point as you provided it as an example initially

Housing is a fair criticism of the busier servers but the rest of the idea that you get FOMO from seeing something someone else owns that you want seems like a personal concern. I see people on aether all the time with things I’d like to have but I don’t flee to dynamis to avoid it. I go “good for them I wonder if it’s viable for me to get that”

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

What you're telling me to do is don't help the progression of the CE and instead just go grind for gil because a casuals grind is pointless and all they should do is farm mats for others to make gil and just buy the rewards instead of trying to enjoy the new content themselves. GOT IT.

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You were the one who told me that the reason someone wants a relic tool is for the +35% points for the gacha system and I informed you there's a much better way to acquire all the rewards, so that reason to want a relic tool is a bad one. If you want to help with the progression of CE then that's not based on the gacha grind. You can casually grind as much as you want and the contribution points will remain the same whether you have the relic equipped or not.

However basing the completion of the progression fates on number of participants without considering server pop is pretty bad and they should try and change that.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

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Housing's still not a requirement for the vast majority of content in the game. There's not even any story quests tied to it. That said I would support moving to a system where all housing is instanced and upgradable, but I have my doubts it will change. Also has little to do with cosmic exploration aside from the loose connection that on a small server you have a better chance of getting a house, but a lower chance of completing cosmic exploration.

You're the one that brought up the mount. And you brought up the mount again because you're still defending the point of people feeling bad they don't have something another person worked to earn. I dunno, deal with it or something, or go live on your low pop server where there's nobody who has anything I guess? I might make the suggestion to play a single player game if the idea of running into a player that has something you don't is this stressful.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I used mounts as an example of your wider point as you provided it as an example initially

Housing is a fair criticism of the busier servers but the rest of the idea that you get FOMO from seeing something someone else owns that you want seems like a personal concern. I see people on aether all the time with things I’d like to have but I don’t flee to dynamis to avoid it. I go “good for them I wonder if it’s viable for me to get that”

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when did I say FLEEING to dynamis, and sure it's a personal concern ALL OF FOMO is a personal concern. The point is that on a more casual server you have to not feel so inadequate because you're not going to be seen a bunch of tryhards flaunting that they sweated and spent millions on millions on millions of gil just so they can skip the content that you can't skip cause you're not as lucky as them or don't have the time invest me that they can put in.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

You were the one who told me that the reason someone wants a relic tool is for the +35% points for the gacha system and I informed you there's a much better way to acquire all the rewards, so that reason to want a relic tool is a bad one. If you want to help with the progression of CE then that's not based on the gacha grind. You can casually grind as much as you want and the contribution points will remain the same whether you have the relic equipped or not.

However basing the completion of the progression fates on number of participants without considering server pop is pretty bad and they should try and change that.

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Why would you tell a casual player to not get the relic and that if they are there just for helping with progression they do not deserve the bonus lunar credits the relic would give, and should just farm over-world mats and buy them that's so uncool and kinda toxic to expect them to just grind to help progression but not get the bonus lunar credits.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Housing's still not a requirement for the vast majority of content in the game. There's not even any story quests tied to it. That said I would support moving to a system where all housing is instanced and upgradable, but I have my doubts it will change. Also has little to do with cosmic exploration aside from the loose connection that on a small server you have a better chance of getting a house, but a lower chance of completing cosmic exploration.

You're the one that brought up the mount. And you brought up the mount again because you're still defending the point of people feeling bad they don't have something another person worked to earn. I dunno, deal with it or something, or go live on your low pop server where there's nobody who has anything I guess? I might make the suggestion to play a single player game if the idea of running into a player that has something you don't is this stressful.

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You're missing the point and focusing on the mount even though it was just a single example. I guess it was a bad one because I don't actually care about the squirrel mount, I want it but not enough to grind for months straight or break my bank to buy the tokens to get it. It was merely an example because as expansions come out getting extremely tedious stuff like that becomes less about buying the tokens and being a pure grind because people stop grinding those tokens in favor of the new ones thus making it even harder for a casual player to obtain such a thing. And yes nothing is necessary it's just a game, but the fact is the game is suppose to be fun. Also how about you get your toxic ass attitude of telling me to go play a single player game when I clearly stated earlier that I am not talking directly about me or my experiences, I grinded 4 relics in 3 days because I didn't want to front millions of gil for the gacha items and I don't feel like running around the open world, so I stood in the same spot all day every day doing mission after mission getting gold after gold to get it all myself save for the space suit because after 100 spins and no suit I said screw it it's only 230k so I bought 2 and sold the other as individual pieces and made back the money i spent on both.

I am speaking from knowing what other players are thinking, weather you want to see it or not.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

when did I say FLEEING to dynamis, and sure it's a personal concern ALL OF FOMO is a personal concern. The point is that on a more casual server you have to not feel so inadequate because you're not going to be seen a bunch of tryhards flaunting that they sweated and spent millions on millions on millions of gil just so they can skip the content that you can't skip cause you're not as lucky as them or don't have the time invest me that they can put in.

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I don’t know how to tell you that moving servers because you don’t like seeing what other people earned in an MMO is such a non issue that you are quite possibly the only person to ever feel like it

It’s not toxic advice to say “if seeing what other people earn in an MMO makes you so annoyed you’d rather be on a quiet server where nobody has anything then MMO’s will be spot aren’t the genres for you”. This isn’t something unique to way 14 bends MMO rules, like this is EverQuest 101 rules

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I don’t know how to tell you that moving servers because you don’t like seeing what other people earned in an MMO is such a non issue that you are quite possibly the only person to ever feel like it

It’s not toxic advice to say “if seeing what other people earn in an MMO makes you so annoyed you’d rather be on a quiet server where nobody has anything then MMO’s will be spot aren’t the genres for you”. This isn’t something unique to way 14 bends MMO rules, like this is EverQuest 101 rules

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you my friend are in your own reality with what I said so I'm done conversing with you lol.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Probably because the community and even the developers come off very demanding about "perfection" in nearly every piece of content otherwise you're getting kicked, reported, body checked or duty failed.

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In the great Wikipedia tradition, "[citation needed]."

In the ~4 years of playing FFXIV on Crystal, what you've said has literally never happened to me -- even as I ran roulettes while challenging Gerolt to a drinking contest.

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I've seen how people act about Frontlines, about Chaotic, about bloody damn everything where the slightest mistake means death or failure and you WILL get chewed out for it, in-game no less

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Again, in the great Wikipedia tradition, "[citation needed]."

In the ~4 years of playing FFXIV on Crystal, I've lost to Gerolt multiple times, and no one gives a f.

Anyone who's getting "chewed out" in-game has to be so incompetently bad that other people would prefer get sanctioned by a GM rather than stay silent.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

You're missing the point and focusing on the mount even though it was just a single example. I guess it was a bad one because I don't actually care about the squirrel mount, I want it but not enough to grind for months straight or break my bank to buy the tokens to get it. It was merely an example because as expansions come out getting extremely tedious stuff like that becomes less about buying the tokens and being a pure grind because people stop grinding those tokens in favor of the new ones thus making it even harder for a casual player to obtain such a thing. And yes nothing is necessary it's just a game, but the fact is the game is suppose to be fun. Also how about you get your toxic ass attitude of telling me to go play a single player game when I clearly stated earlier that I am not talking directly about me or my experiences, I grinded 4 relics in 3 days because I didn't want to front millions of gil for the gacha items and I don't feel like running around the open world, so I stood in the same spot all day every day doing mission after mission getting gold after gold to get it all myself save for the space suit because after 100 spins and no suit I said screw it it's only 230k so I bought 2 and sold the other as individual pieces and made back the money i spent on both.

I am speaking from knowing what other players are thinking, weather you want to see it or not.

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You already talked about people being poor so why would you suggest buying tokens as an option? They're FATEs, they're soloable and most anyone can do them (aside, I guess, from the folks who fail solo duties). But yes there are other aspects of the game you might miss out on if you aren't a player that can commit many hours to it. Even if it's not you in this hypothetical scenario, my response remains the same. If you/they feel so distraught when they see another person has something they don't, then single player games are where it's at. If that's what these hypothetical people are thinking, they need to unironically grow up a little. It honestly sounds like a tiring existence that they need to move on from.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

All I've heard is that red alerts are not a viable option to complete a relic because they only happen every 4 hours and a casual can't be expected to research their relic that way.
Granted I am unsure why people who don't gather and craft would want to grab a relic for it. It'd be like me spending a week to grab the DRK HW relic despite never playing the job.

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Thanks, yeah that's what was puzzling me. I do quite a bit of crafting and gathering, and am finding some of Cosmic Exploration... an okay diversion. But I have no interest in getting relic tools.

As a casual crafter/gatherer I find the Red Alerts rather more compelling than the actual crafting and gathering. The lunar hellscape isn't attractive and makes gathering difficult for me because I can barely see the nodes.