Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Doesn't it say somewhere not to leave just because you don't like what you get? Even if it doesn't, leaving puts the party at a disadvantage. I guess in CT that disadvantage wouldn't even register because of how trivial the difficulty is, but technically it's still there.

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Hey, Im not trying to advocate this behavior. I for one think its pretty scummy if you make the decision to run an rng roulette but get a hissy fit that its boring old CT again and then leave. But the option is there for people, just expect those consequences if you reeeeally hate CT that much to risk waisting even more of your time for the penalty.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

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If you want CT to have it's own separate roulette then just say so. That's what most people here want. Most people think that CT either needs its own roulette or it needs to be merged with MSQ roulette.

That's not the same as you suggesting that people pick and choose what they want in the roulette though.

Okay but something should be done about the people lowering their item level to proc it though. Sprouts and people that haven't unlocked other raids I'm honestly fine with, because they're not exploiting any inherent loophole.
And the raid's simplicity really only contributes to it, because these people are hinging on CT being so simple and quick versus the rest. Plus, there's just a weird disparity between how long it takes to clear CT versus Dun Scaith or Rabanastre. Mechanics exist and bosses are more durable. Whether ilv contributes to it or not, I don't know, the point still stands: CT is way too quick and way too easy as it stands, and that incentivizes people doing it.

However, Atelier is right. It's not that often an occurrence (sometimes you really do just get the one sprout. What are you gonna do about it, tell them they're wrong for doing the MSQ? :T). But if you're looking to get the rewards from the Roulette itself, getting CT won't really put a dent on that.

Though at that point I'd be hard pressed to call it a roulette. Let me put it this way. If I had a roulette, and then painted half the red slots as black and told you to play the game as-is with no additional modifications to accomodate the clear change in , is it still Roulette? Because the issue isn't whether CT raids are simple (even if it contributes to the problem), nor whether CT is mandatory or the earliest accessible Alliance Raid; those will obviously skew the probabilities. The issue is that there are people forcifully making it happen via an exploit of the system. The exploit needs to be addressed. Whether CT is fine or not is irrelevant, the exploit needs to be done away with.

And we have options. Are they the best ones? No, but they help. I personally prefer tweaking the item level synch to discourage people from trying to cheese the roulette. It, in turn, might also tackle what people view as a boring instance. I don't think migrating it to MSQ Roulette makes sense from a certain standpoint. Because MSQ Roulette are 4 man duties with a lot of cutscenes, and then suddenly 3 24-man duties whose length hinges on the gameplay... but hey :| that's an option too I guess?

So... yeah. CT being too easy and all that? That's a problem on its own, can be addressed in other ways. Is CT going to pop very often because the probability is skewed? Sure, but it's still Alliance Roulette, deal with it, it's an instance like all the others for the most part. But people forcing it is what I personally take issue with, and it mostly happens because it's an easy content to go through.

Why is this subject so popular these days? influencer did a video or something?

I really would like SE to address this directly, even if they end up taking no action on it. I remember poking and prodding this system back in Shb and reaching uneven conclusions.

As far as CT is concerned, I agree that it needs to be changed, but seeing SE's rationale lately I don't think a simple ilvl adjustment will be enough. I think there is a possibility of a CT redesign after they finish with Duty Support.

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Originally Posted by Cach

As far as CT is concerned, I agree that it needs to be changed, but seeing SE's rationale lately I don't think a simple ilvl adjustment will be enough. I think there is a possibility of a CT redesign after they finish with Duty Support.

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That could work too tbh. Just redo CT, keep it simple but don't make it a snoozefest. And reassess a way to prevent people from stipping naked and cheese it, since then chances are there isn't much you can cheese through.

Costly? Maybe.
But that's what SE's been doing the past months, so who knows.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

That could work too tbh. Just redo CT, keep it simple but don't make it a snoozefest. And reassess a way to prevent people from stipping naked and cheese it, since then chances are there isn't much you can cheese through.

Costly? Maybe.
But that's what SE's been doing the past months, so who knows.

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I don't think you can avoid making it a snoozefest. They could redo the whole place and people would just get tired of it all over again. Even if the cheese were to go away, it would still come up a lot of times.

I feel like I'm weird when it comes to this. I'm excited when I get Ivalice/Nier/Agalia (spelled wrong?).
Unlike others I don't need higher rewards to want to do those. They're fun and that's the most important part for me. Especially consodering...this IS a game.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't think you can avoid making it a snoozefest. They could redo the whole place and people would just get tired of it all over again. Even if the cheese were to go away, it would still come up a lot of times.

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Maybe not. And that's true, for example, I'm super tired of Azdaal's Legacy, as well as Sil'dih Subterrane. Because they get repetitive and predictable easily. But I find that fair and an obvious outcome of videogames in general. I know what I'm getting into. If you give me my favourite dish for breakfast, lunch and dinner, obviously at some point it stops feeling special. Same with any content. But at least here I know that that's what I'm signing up for.

But I already said as much.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

So... yeah. CT being too easy and all that? That's a problem on its own, can be addressed in other ways. Is CT going to pop very often because the probability is skewed? Sure, but it's still Alliance Roulette, deal with it, it's an instance like all the others for the most part.

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Of course, that's just me. My real gripe is just people doing what's such an obvious exploit to force the system. I approached it as "if it's so easy to the point where you AFK, and it takes less time to complete than other instances, then naturally people will prefer it". Past that, if people want to complain that a low-level instance is boring, repetitive and obvious, then that's up to them.

I speak for myself: There is a problem, and much like problems of the same kind, it should be looked into. I think the issue stems from one characteristic of the content itself. Others are free to disagee. Anything beyond that is preference.

Duty Roulette pulls you in to duties that people are queued for
People getting naked to force themselves into LotA are not forcing you into LotA with you
Duty Roulette does not conjure up an instance for the first 24 people to queue together, it compares your gear to what duties are currently being run and puts you in to the Highest Level Duty that has been waiting the longest that you are eligible for
Please stop spreading the disinfo that the naked Balmungers are forcing you to play boring raids, you are just queuing at dead hours when people aren't running the cool content that people actually want to play. If you are using alliance raid roulette to level and are not at max level, you literally do not get to complain because it prioritizes giving difficult content to higher level players. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...012013_750.png
I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works.
The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them.

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Originally Posted by BelegErkhten

The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them.

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Firm believer that is what happens. You can be sure when they get the duty that they are in one with level 50 players. I always check my party and 9/10 there is a 50 and that is only one alliance.