I don't like FFXIV's community

We are perfect little angels. You take that back or we’re not buying you any chicken nuggies. (Sarcasm incase people didnt get it and decide to weird quote reply.)

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

And honestly, I hate how organized everything is in this game these days. Wanna do BA? Well, I hope you're willing to join this discord and do it exactly in the 'right way' or you're a 'toxic' player! And don't get me started on Hunts and Eureka. If you dare pull the mob YOU spawned before literally everyone on the DC gets there, you're Hitler now.



I agree with this unless I spawned it. If I spawned it all by myself, I choose the pull time, and if I wanna pull it instantly, I'm gonna. If anyone has an issue with that, they can spawn it next time and pick the pull time themselves. Now as for the people AFKing in Limsa who show up and insta pull, those guys need to stop.

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See, the problem with that kind of selfish thinking is that in an MMO space where content like that is supposed to be done with the cooperation of others, especially with something like hunts that yes indeed have a time window where there will always be a good amount of people that would want to get in on doing them. At the very least if you shout out a pull time and not just do whatever without warning, then it should be fine.

Also as someone who has ran Eureka twice at this point (alts and such) I can say that without that "special discord" around being so well organized and practically keeping the most of Eureka alive to this day, I wouldnt have been able to clear BA and get what I wanted from the content. Instead of pretending like they're being selfish and controlling over the instance how about swallow that bit of pride of yours and realize that what those people do is a blessing for what normally would be old content thats deader than Carlos Mencia's career.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

That's something I don't get either.
I keep seeing people say something about people yelling/ screeching/ screaming at them in dungeons and I'm like... what? Where? And what do they even classify as that?
When someone uses yelling/ screeching/ screaming, I think of something like tank died and writes "HEALER ???? -.- are u blind??" or a dps ate several aoes and healer goes "OMG stop standing in shit are u dumb??". And those things would get you a one-way ticket to GM jail or even banned.

I think I've seen this behaviour only once and the person got reported, they got really abrasive, capslock warrior, insulted etc., maybe more but that's really the only one I can remember.
The rest was more passive-aggressivenes under the guise of being nice like "you have mitigation in case you didn't know, I'll even give you time to look for those buttons now : )))" but even that is fairly rare. Mostly people just stay quiet or if someone write "sry my bad" they just get a few "np/ no worries/ happens" and that's it. I wouldn't classify things like "you can go faster than at snail's pace, u know?" as yelling and why dramatize and inflate things for more attention if it results in the opposite and just makes people suspicious?

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The problem is the community has cultivated the idea that you don't have to heed any advice, either given politely or rudely since your money is paying your sub. It's those people who no matter how nicely you word your advice, you continue to see tanks pop mit at like 20% health, not use mit on big pulls, people holding CDS to use on bosses instead of trash, or players doing single target rotations when there are 10+ mobs around them. Sure people are at different skill gaps. The difference is unless somebody points out to you that something is wrong, you literally have no idea in this game due to not having any comparable feedback. The only way you learn it is by somebody telling you "hey you should do X instead of Y because of Z reason" or them watching a video outside of the game.

The issue is that people do not stop in between pulls so while you are typing out "Hey [person's name] you should try and use at least one form of defensive cooldown at the start of the pull to help me out with healing, it would help me out a lot with healing" your dumb tank has already started pulling mobs or is sprinting into the boss. So often most people will just opt for "Hey tank, please use CDs/Defensives/Mit".

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

The problem is the community has cultivated the idea that you don't have to heed any advice, either given politely or rudely since your money is paying your sub. It's those people who no matter how nicely you word your advice, you continue to see tanks pop mit at like 20% health, not use mit on big pulls, people holding CDS to use on bosses instead of trash, or players doing single target rotations when there are 10+ mobs around them. Sure people are at different skill gaps. The difference is unless somebody points out to you that something is wrong, you literally have no idea in this game due to not having any comparable feedback. The only way you learn it is by somebody telling you "hey you should do X instead of Y because of Z reason" or them watching a video outside of the game.

The issue is that people do not stop in between pulls so while you are typing out "Hey [person's name] you should try and use at least one form of defensive cooldown at the start of the pull to help me out with healing, it would help me out a lot with healing" your dumb tank has already started pulling mobs or is sprinting into the boss. So often most people will just opt for "Hey tank, please use CDs/Defensives/Mit".

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I don't doubt the cultivation of these ideas, but I think a lot of times, people just don't know. People just have a tendency not to say something on one end or another. Maybe they got some bad advice on facebook or somewhere. Hell, some people think they can actually function when tired or intoxicated, but will never say a word until the mistakes start adding up. Even then, the response might be subtle, like switching Dance Partner to tank when a DPS is doing poorly in a dungeon. It all goes beyond the game and into general interactions.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't doubt the cultivation of these ideas, but I think a lot of times, people just don't know. People just have a tendency not to say something on one end or another. Maybe they got some bad advice on facebook or somewhere. Hell, some people think they can actually function when tired or intoxicated, but will never say a word until the mistakes start adding up. Even then, the response might be subtle, like switching Dance Partner to tank when a DPS is doing poorly in a dungeon. It all goes beyond the game and into general interactions.

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Im talking about being in a dungeon and giving advice to another player, not a player going out of their way to ask for advice since that very rarely happens.

There's an old saying that if you're smelling s--t everywhere you go, check your shoes. Another variant is if you run into a few jerks, it's them, if you run into jerks EVERYWHERE, it's you. Either works since they mean the same thing lol.

Never have I come across a kys fool in dungeons and I solo queue only, have had exactly 3 experiences of what I would consider bad, one in a dungeon (parser), guildhest (typical mentor bashing) and EX Thordan (possible troll, one healer was wearing statless glam items, changed gear after getting called out). Granted I don't do the sav/ult stuff but if your static is cussing each other out, I'd suggest finding one that has more patience.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

Im talking about being in a dungeon and giving advice to another player, not a player going out of their way to ask for advice since that very rarely happens.

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I'm covering all bases.

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The problem is the community has cultivated the idea that you don't have to heed any advice, either given politely or rudely since your money is paying your sub. It's those people who no matter how nicely you word your advice, you continue to see tanks pop mit at like 20% health, not use mit on big pulls, people holding CDS to use on bosses instead of trash, or players doing single target rotations when there are 10+ mobs around them. Sure people are at different skill gaps. The difference is unless somebody points out to you that something is wrong, you literally have no idea in this game due to not having any comparable feedback. The only way you learn it is by somebody telling you "hey you should do X instead of Y because of Z reason" or them watching a video outside of the game.

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Except...

A.) I do see this happen. Even when going between packs or getting ready for a boss fight, there's plenty of time to put useful advice in chat.

B.) In the end, it depends on what people are interested in doing. If someone has no desire or intention to ever go into Savage or Ultimate content, they don't need to be at the skill level that content requires. As long as what they're doing is sufficient for accomplishing what they want to do, everything is fine.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

I play this game since 2012 and i never saw anything like this too... in this deep as "killing myself" stuff...
Not with me or anybody else that I met in all this time '-'

Maybe we are just lucky? '-'

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yeah, most people I talk to never had stuff like that happen either.
Neither have I ever have the need to talk about anything without feeling like I can't speak openly.
I wonder what they feel like saying that they think would get them in trouble.