Live letter expectations.

Actually, when healing in any content I feel there is a huge disconnect between the partner co- healer

Many times I feel we have "too much" to deal with mechanics in game that it forces one of the healers to legit just 1 button spam until they bored in their face

I feel there is an "overlap" between healers which makes it boring ATM due to similar skills

but in all serious soo many times I have been bored out of my face due to a "greedy" healer , which ultimate just forces the co healer to "DPS" more and turn zombified until boss is dead, yeah u may "throw" a ogcd for an incoming mechanic to "help" but u go back spamming 111111111 until the next mechanic happens

I played all healers and at the moment WHM is the least fun out of the 3, scholar u still require to do "some" thinking and so does ast, but whm it's either just do damage, press heal, back to damage

With scholar u get to scream at Ur fairy because it's not working as intended, as astro u can scream at Ur cards because rng still exists and u have to "plan" Ur skills ahead of time

Whm u just press them and Ur done, and I never liked this on whm at all, and the lilies sucks sooo much, but the blood lily nuke is ok I suppose

To fix this problem

They need to redesign WHM , because it is the "core" problem why healing is sooo boring

For example benediction forces a smash 1111111 since it heals the target to full hp, and adds another 6+ sec if the tank used a invulnerable skill, so both healers just spam damage more , so if the tank is very good, u legit just allowed both healers to smash 11111 for 15+ seconds

In dungeon u can legit just play whm with just benediction + holy spam.....and just use lilies between pulls, if your tank is decent

So by my deduction WHM is the problem due to its overpowering upfront healing

They need to ditch the "pure" healing and legit redesign whm to use elements to heal via air/water/earth

Earth = damage reduction/shields etc

Air = movement speed /deflection etc

Water = healing interactions that isn't "burst"

These are spitball ideas, but u kinda understand what I'm getting at, whm needs to turn into a "support" healer like astrologian , but base around "elements" or "elementals" design

So in raids u will have

1 support healer
1 shield healer

Support healer will be more for "buffs" "regens" "manipulation" type of playstyle

Shield healer be more for "protection" or "nullify" damage

This will in return make ALL healers feel good instead of "burst heal" u legit have to work together with Ur co- healer to overcome mechanics instead of "press X ability to heal Y mechanic, and wait"

It be more of

Support healer reduce "next" mechanic damage, shield healer "protects" aswell, the group takes damage, now both healers can bring everyone back up to "safe" levels before next mechanic comes up

the problem isnt how strong the kits are, but how little damage everything deals, even in savage. to put it into perspective, Sigmascape 8 savage, you know, a fight from Stormblood, did similar damage to players as fights in Eden's verse savage a whole expansion later.

Live letter expectations:

• Reaper gameplay
• More Reaper gameplay
• Reaper gameplay in end game content
• How to level Reaper from 70 to 90 in one day so you can indulge in end game content
• Where to start grinding for tomes (yet again) once you arrive Sharlayan -- expect slight changes to crafting as well?
• More information on Island Santuary and how it hopes to alleviate the housing problem
• Announcing Menesius' armour and Uncle Emet's hairstyle on the Mog Station (lovely artwork by Dodorimo)-- Executive Director Yoshida-san-- can you please make this happen?

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If we're splitting healers into two cathegories, does that mean Shield Healers no longer compete against Pure healers for a spot in a Full party?

Sage competes against Scholar for the shield healer spot and White Mage competes agaisnt Astrologian for the pure healer spot.

That opens for more daring healing design synergies between Pure and Shield healers.

This also means SCH and WHM are no longer enemies.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

If we're splitting healers into two cathegories, does that mean Shield Healers no longer compete against Pure healers for a spot in a Full party?

Sage competes against Scholar for the shield healer spot and White Mage competes agaisnt Astrologian for the pure healer spot.

That opens for more daring healing design synergies between Pure and Shield healers.

This also means SCH and WHM are no longer enemies.

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That is probably their intention but design WILL run counter intuitive to this intention just like with ShB healer design vs intention(we have been dpsing more than ever before in this expansion yet their intent was to make us more heal focused so yeah it backfired) for a few reasons:

1. Every healer and any combo of healers must be able to complete all duty finder content this means that the regen healers will have more than sufficient shields and shielding healers will have more than enough healing power to handle this, making the split seem silly to the majority of the playerbase because it'll be Savage and Ultimate where this split may become relevant. (This is proven in the benchmark trailer where Ast/Whm/Sage all showed a shield and Sch showing off a heal, riveting >_>)

2. Gear will devalue the split as time goes on, content will get crept and as it does shields become less necessary making the split seem pointless again.

At this point the job devs do not know how to make healers anything but functional and even then they have screwed up that in the past(3.0-3.1 Ast, 4.X Whm lillies, 5.0 no energy drain for Sch etc), while the content design devs rarely factor in what a healer can do(All healers got Repose this expansion, a single lv 80 role quest does not validate this decision to remove it from Whm for a role action, CCs are so rarely utilised even when the devs can force groups to have specific ones) so yeah I am jaded at this point and I have no faith the developers actually know what they are doing with regards to healer design beyond "Hey it functions" .

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Oh it can certainly get worse.

Keep in mind, some of their most recent changes involve nerfing Energy Drain to try to make SCH's use Aether to overheal more of the non-existent damage they've designed and buffing Succor of all things so it can be spammed more. This tiers raid and tome sets were riddled with more Piety than ever because they actually think we need the stat. They also still have no healer designer and most of the class design for EDW is already finished. We have had almost no communication the entire expansion and they've actually believed "Shield healer" is a thing and turned it into an identity when OT and MT for tanks was something they steered away from because it was an awful idea.

So we have a few dps mains with little healer experience and bad ideas who believe we spam heals and need to dps less, in charge of our role right now. Let that sink in.

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I am honestly entertained by the shield/pure healer concept. The so-called shield healer(SCH) can actually heal a target in a lot more ways than it can shield it. Can't wait to see Sage. In the reveal we only saw Sage's version of a baby heal, ST attack, Barrier spell(could just as well be something like Aldo), AoE and that's it. A little bit embarrassing tbh. The actual kit for healing which makes Sage different than the other healers is not represented at all.

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I am honestly entertained by the shield/pure healer concept. The so-called shield healer(SCH) can actually heal a target in a lot more ways than it can shield it. Can't wait to see Sage. In the reveal we only saw Sage's version of a baby heal, ST attack, Barrier spell(could just as well be something like Aldo), AoE and that's it. A little bit embarrassing tbh. The actual kit for healing which makes Sage different than the other healers is not represented at all.

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That's because it likely won't be. Healers now are pretty much identical. I doubt that won't be the case continuing forward.

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That's because it likely won't be. Healers now are pretty much identical. I doubt that won't be the case continuing forward.

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The only identical part is the 1 dot, 1 nuke, 1 AoE, the baby heal, and the normal heal.

For AST, cards are unique, divination is unique, Collective unconscious and Celestion Opposition are unique, Earthly Star has damage and massive raid-wide cure potency, which is almost instant, on oGCD, again unique. Neutral Sect differs from Dissipation and Temperance because it changes GCD casts, this is something unique to AST. Horoscope, Celestial Intersection, and Essential Dignity are also unique oGCDs that belong to AST.

For SCH, the fairy plus all of the fairy commands which are 6 in total if we include Seraph. Chain Stratagem, Recitation, Idomitability, Lustrate, Aetherflow, Dissipation, Sacred Soil, Excognication. These abilities are unique to SCH. Their normal heal - Aldo, also has a special effect. Deployment and Emergency Tactics are odd utility abilities but they should be mentioned. Let's not forget about Ruin II which enables weaving and Energy Drain which makes weaving almost DPS neutral.

For WHM, Presence of Mind, Assize, Asylum, Divine Benison, Thin Air, Benediction, Temperance - 30y radius party-wide damage reduction ability that synergizes with the lilies, Plenary Indulgence, Tetragrammaton, Lily spells, and Afflatus Misery. We can also add Cure III since we are talking about uniqueness and that ability is still used somewhere in the game, unlike Fluid Aura. Holy's stun effect should be included in WHM's uniqueness as well.

The way the healer jobs are designed allows for braindead spamming of gcd healing spells in order to heal what someone who knows the class can heal by fully utilizing their healing kit. How you heal while dps-ing is the real gameplay of healers. What I saw in the Sage reveal is what 80% of the healers in duty finder do. That's not an actual representation of the class. They showcased a lot more of Reaper's abilities.

When I am playing Sage I don't expect to heal with the abilities showcased, unless they are oGCDs which I doubt they are. The only spells that I will be using are the offensive ones. I really hope the one which I think is an AoE attack is not actually an AoE attack but more like an augmented version of their ST spell or something like that. They did say that Sage can augment their abilities which sounds interesting at least to me.

Diurnal ast and whm are even more identical though

1 dot, 1 nuke, 1 aoe, 1 baby heal thats got a trap trait, 1 regular heal boosted by said trap trait, 1 heal+regen, 1 aoe heal, 1 aoe heal+regen, 1 haste buff, 1 aoe damage and heal ogcd and they are just the ones off the top of my head

That's what foxchaos is getting at. Going into 6.0 "whm" and "ast" will be even more identical sadly. They're barely more than conjurers with ogcd heals as it stands.