Before you power level noobs

22/10/2010 - 05/05/2011 Capped My First Class (Pugilist), 7 months of Grind, Leve and faction Pt, i Love It..

and i've learned much, mobs Ai, Camp, my class in all little things, now if i join in a party with people PLed if die from a peiste because they don't know how the mob move .-.

I hate this...

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

In the Linkshells I have, all I hear are people asking to PL each other. Getting to be quite sad now.

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In my shell, asking to get PLed will get you booted. If your there and it happens, fine, but never ask.

Some folks just expect to be PLed by their linkshell mates. The problem in my eyes, isn't the result of folks PLing to 50 in and of itself. Good players get PLed too. We all know end game is vastly different from leves, for example. The problem comes from allowing people to have everything handed to them. Folks come to expect that. Ultimately it comes down to this: I'm not gonna play the game for you, learn to earn shit on your own.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

In my shell, asking to get PLed will get you booted. If your there and it happens, fine, but never ask.

Some folks just expect to be PLed by their linkshell mates. The problem in my eyes, isn't the result of folks PLing to 50 in and of itself. Good players get PLed too. We all know end game is vastly different from leves, for example. The problem comes from allowing people to have everything handed to them. Folks come to expect that. Ultimately it comes down to this: I'm not gonna play the game for you, learn to earn shit on your own.

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I wish my shell followed the same principles as yours in regards to PLing. We hardly PL anyone but sometimes new people come in, ask for a PL. If we give it to them, they stay, if we don't they just leave the pearl off and move on until they need help. SE needs to implement a LS Exilement thing that works, no matter where you are.

But yes. Some good players get PL'd cause LVing is boring , some don't. It's the way it is.

Getting PLed doesnt make the player good or bad.. you just are that way based on your awareness and ability to learn. I've PLed new players who turned out to be great players and good friends. I also have good friends who refused to get PLed but are absolutley terrible to the point of i wont even play with them even though they are rl friends lol.

I see OPs points but there are way more factors then just getting a PL that make a person bad or good at this or any game.

I agree with this. Though in FFXI I had my fair share of PLing and being PLed. But in XI I NEVER needed it. I am the kind of guy that will figure things out and learn from others. I sure as hell would never pay for it. PLing just makes the idiots get to higher levels and then you wonder why the people you play with sometimes are so bad. In XI I acted as sort of a mentor for new players. I'd give them a small amount of gil and teach them how to play and make more. XI was a tough game to start in and often turned players away. I tried to be the guy who helped people along. In this game (when Im a veteran player, still a bit new) I will act the same way.

There will always be bad players in games no matter if they are PLed or not. I have had my fair experience with bad players with certain events and learned to avoid them in the future, I have a friend who has probably only been playing a week and their first 50 was WHM. They were PL'ed a few levels and they did ifrit first time on whm and did better than most people who consider themselves an EG pro with 7/7 weapons on mog/ifrit. Had multiple people in the LS explaining and answering all his questions. The problem I see is alot of "veteran" players not taking the time to explain strats to newcomers and just expect them to know with comments like "meh too much to explain you will figure it out."

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Originally Posted by Istaro

It seems everytime I see you post a thread it's complaining about somthing...

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You know what's funny? Usually noobs complain about noobs. And what's worse, the noobs doing the complaining are sure they are not noobs

I had my Lancer PL'd to 30 when I remade my character and I do just fine in end-game. my Monk was also PL'd to like 36 and I do a damn great job as a Monk. I leveled my Conjurer 1-50 in grind parties and low man leves, I am no better on White Mage then I am on Dragoon or Monk.

In XI I was a party whore, I knew damn near EVERYONE on my server due to me always being in parties, always helping on missions and others event shouts. I have run accross people who were completely trash at their jobs who weren't PL'd and those who were untouchable who were PL'd. Learning your job takes something called common sense and reading comprehension, all your skills have a description that tells you what they do, how they can be combo'd and the direction you use them from. If you combine that information with common sense you can play a job just fine.

I have a friend who plays MMOs with me, he lacks the common sense but can read ok I guess. In most games we got to max level grinding it out and without me around shouldering his fail he would be a terrible player. I have tried to teach him basic things but he never catches on, I direct him to online guides and discussions on his class, nothing helps.

Example: He played SWTOR with me, I was a Commando Trooper(dps/heals) and he was a Jedi Shadow(dps/tank). after getting his specialization (10) he was still running around using level one skills at 15, using the lightsaber from the starting story mission and wondering why he died so much. I told him he needed to upgrade his skills, open his inventory and open the bag containing his Shadow gear and equip it. It took him about 35 minutes to open the bag and equip the 2 pieces of gear inside of it.

TL;DR: Bad players will be bad regardless of their upbringing.

I see PLing as an "easy way out". it makes challenging battles or even battles that are normal, even more easy. And to the point, no one has to try. Granted, I'm still fairly new to FFXIV even though I've had it for a while (kind of on and off). In FFXI, if there was a PL, the tank didn't have to learn to keep hate, the WHM didn't have to learn restraint and how to balance MP, The Puller didn't have to be careful with links, and so on. In some rare cases, parties were made up of nothing but random classes, no healer and relied heavily on the PL. Didnt always work as planned. Now I agree that it takes common sense to use your character effectively and some research too. (I did a lot of research to play a THF well with the right gear.) And PL isn't such a horrible thing, but to me it feels like people being lazy. And if you're PLed all the time, then you can become "spoiled". I saw a lot of that in FFXI, I would actually turn down invites because people would think that if they had a PL, they could take on anything and not need a decent party set up. I just think people should not rely on PLing too much.

I've never been PL'd.