4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I don't get people who use this kind of reasoning.
You're saying that the OP opinion (and anyone who holds a similiar opinion) can only be valid if they have every "capped" and have nothing to do.
By that logic, 95% of the playerbase has no right to talk because most of them don't go on to do end game/savage content.
Just because there are things to do in this game doesn't mean they are engaging or enjoyable.

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It's a valid argument if people like the OP fail to understand the distinction between "nothing to do" and "nothing I want to do". Subtle difference in wording, huge difference in meaning. Not liking the content presented is fine, but it's a disingenuous argument to frame it as if the content doesn't exist at all.

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Originally Posted by Pence

If you completed the first Mario game the content is still there, you just need to repeat it. It's easy to complete the entire content of a patch during its 3 month duration - even playing super casually. Please elaborate where this content is? A single dungeon which is easily done in 15 minutes, a raid done in 25 minutes?

Emotes? Squads so you can go do dungeons you've already done and can easily do solo?

We'll wait for you to tell us where the content is.

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EX Shinryu, Ultimate Coil, beast tribe stuff, MSQ.

It's fine if you don't like the content, maybe you're just bored of the grind and need a break. But saying there's nothing to do is just dumb.

Some people should see what OTHER mmorpgs give you as new content.
Some mmos call 1 new dungeon or a new trial ever 6 months months "content"

Every 6 months....
Every 6 months......

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Originally Posted by eaudaemon

Arguably yes, coz I don't see how you can say all what you just said when the patch isn't even out yet, while spewing numbers not backed with any reaserch (1%? really?).

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There is data from past savage teirs and even with a12s being the easiest yet clear rates were between 1-3% on the majority of servers.

So depending on the difficulty maybe 1/2 of those people will be able to do the Ultimate fight.

If this was a side project that would be fine but we are losing content for this.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

I think many are just overreacting from the trailer they saw, which honestly was one of the poorest presentated ones they made to date.
Everything felt rushed in there and didn't had proper showing they used to do in ARR and HW. And that did put off many here as a result, which may or may not be justified until we actually get our hands on the patch notes.

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Aye, this is problem. Watched the trailer and it felt way emptier than previous patch trailers.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It's a valid argument if people like the OP fail to understand the distinction between "nothing to do" and "nothing I want to do". Subtle difference in wording, huge difference in meaning. Not liking the content presented is fine, but it's a disingenuous argument to frame it as if the content doesn't exist at all.

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Exactly this. The patch is not empty. just doesn't have enough of the things the OP wants.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

There is data from past savage teirs and even with a12s being the easiest yet clear rates were between 1-3% on the majority of servers.

So depending on the difficulty maybe 1/2 of those people will be able to do the Ultimate fight.

If this was a side project that would be fine but we are losing content for this.

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And where is this "data" again? Coz I've searched and your the only one that I can find that says it. And what crystal ball did you look into that only 1/2 people would be able to do the Ultimate fight? And what makes you think this is a side project coz the patch isn't out yet?

lot's of people complaining have yet to see 1 that says what is actaully less about this patch compared to other patches please don't even dare to say less dungeons.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It's a valid argument if people like the OP fail to understand the distinction between "nothing to do" and "nothing I want to do". Subtle difference in wording, huge difference in meaning. Not liking the content presented is fine, but it's a disingenuous argument to frame it as if the content doesn't exist at all.

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It's a bad argument. If someone dislikes something, it isn't content for them. That's the equivalent of saying "Go play Lord of Verminion if you're bored!" Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the OP's overall opinion regarding 4.1 but that doesn't mean they can't complain about a lack of content that appeals to them.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Some people should see what OTHER mmorpgs give you as new content.
Some mmos call 1 new dungeon or a new trial ever 6 months months "content"

Every 6 months....
Every 6 months......

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Some MMOs launch with more content at expansion. You want to start measuring from the start? I am not against this patch. A big BUT a lot of this content should have been 4.0 ready and not 4.1. Housing should have been shortly after 4.0 after they were sure servers were stable (haha /cry ). PvP is usally a launch feature for expansions. New daily/repeatable quests are also launch feature after reaching max level. The first tier of weapon upgrades also tied to it. But may not be that special due to scaling. So if you look at it from that angle it is kind of weak.

Also I haven't played the other MMO in years, but did they not get a a whole evolving zone?