Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

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Originally Posted by Callinon

It's possible not everyone is as good a player as you claim to be

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Aaand there's the toxic behavior ive heard so much about. Gud gud.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

Aaand there's the toxic behavior ive heard so much about. Gud gud.

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I don't see how they are toxic and your attitude sounds pretty unpleasant

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Originally Posted by kupokage

Folks bashed the mentor for not mentoring and instead kicking. So the mentor telling OP to "pull all" isnt mentoring?

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Um no it not mentoring, you don't need to be a mentor to say 2 words and then spam it over and over in a demanding fashion.

OP, being pretty new myself, I feel for you. So far I've run into really friendly and helpful people in dungeons and I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with it. I'm finding that doing a quick search on youtube before running a dungeon that's new to me is quite helpful for me to know what to expect. Still, even games with nice friendly people in the community will have a few mean people. Don't give up! The awesome community is here too!

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Originally Posted by duhgirl2u2

I'm finding that doing a quick search on youtube before running a dungeon that's new to me is quite helpful for me to know what to expect.

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You shouldn't be expected to look up any casual content like dungeons, 24 person raids etc. beforehand. But if you wish to be informed before seeing the actual content yourself, then go ahead, of course. :)

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Originally Posted by Taika

You shouldn't be expected to look up any casual content like dungeons, 24 person raids etc. beforehand. But if you wish to be informed before seeing the actual content yourself, then go ahead, of course. :)

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Actually, if it's my first time doing content, I look it up on Youtube to know what awaits me and to not slow down my party members.
There is no excuse for players who do not look up content and then write stuff like "anything to watch out for?".
Naturally, this does not apply to new content.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

If you ever try to do a Extreme primal, you will found it even worse. You won't be able to join anything because "Skip Soar", etc. I don't believe any more with the "FFXIV Community is great" like 2 years ago. That's no longer valid for this game. People is trying to turn this into a toxic shit like Lol, WoW or similar, and they are succeeding. And they are proud of quick players for note "being in the average" and other stupid reasons.

Sorry, but the FFXIV is no longer nice anymore. We lost it because people want this game only for "pros", building a wall to avoid newies or less skilled layers to join anything. And even justify it.

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I really feel a lot of these claims have come from bandwagonning. That is not to say that there aren't parties that will disband or kick if the first soar isn't skipped- there are. However, those parties say they will do that in the very description. Don't join those parties if you can't meet those requirements! I see less and less of these parties and more "know how to handle soar and tether please" parties. I'm even in the datacenter with Gilgamesh and Balmung, too; the two servers that probably really pushed for those requirements the most. You make it sound like it's a majority of the community, and it's not. It's a portion of the community demanding this. I really wish people would stop blowing issues like this out of proportions.

Also, how will you know if people can or can't do things without trying? Also, if you approach it with a negative attitude, you've already set yourself to fail.

Onto another relevant topic, the OP is a new player to the dungeon, but not really a new player if they're hitting level 60, end of 3.0 base story. The basics of the game are not new anymore. While I don't mind people going in blind, but if you're going to ask what to watch out for, why not ask Google that? For the sake of the argument that there was a mentor- yes, I am aware. You can get mentorship very easily, to the point that you don't even need the majority of dungeons previously done. As people have pointed out, you can easily farm up the 1,000 needed dungeons doing unsynced content. What if the mentor didn't know either because they never did it before? We have ourselves a little paradox here!

While people are quick to point out flaws with the mentor system, this often gets overlooked. You can put on the crown and queue for dungeons normally and still keep the crown. Or you can use mentor roulette and be forced to wear the crown into a random dungeon- but this requires you to have most dungeons completed. However, my main point was to call to attention the previous paragraph and the fact you can queue normally with a crown and appear as if you used mentor roulette.

Just a thought provoking observation there.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

The basics of the game are not new anymore. While I don't mind people going in blind, but if you're going to ask what to watch out for, why not ask Google that?

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Might have something to do with there being an actual community in game. What's the point of playing with other people if you're going to treat them as NPCs? Why have a chat at all if everyone's just expected to know what to do? It's just another example of expecting everyone to play like pros, and anything less is wasting your time. Everyone has to learn at some point. Every bit of content is new to somebody at any given time.

Besides, not everyone is a visual learner. Watching a video, reading a guide, these things aren't going to help for everybody. Expecting everybody to play the game the way you do is not a way to foster a pleasant experience for anybody.

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Originally Posted by Taika

You shouldn't be expected to look up any casual content like dungeons, 24 person raids etc. beforehand. But if you wish to be informed before seeing the actual content yourself, then go ahead, of course. :)

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I think it's generally polite to try and be as little of a hindrance to the group as possible. Taking a few minutes to be prepared is something everyone should do in my opinion in old content particularly.

I don't expect everyone to be mistake-less in their first, second, maybe even 3rd and so on runs since learning through experience is the best way to learn, but it really gets tiresome having to stop and explain everything in every fight or watching someone else type paragraphs for every little mechanic when the exact same information is readily available online and doesn't come at the cost of holding the group up.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I think it's generally polite to try and be as little of a hindrance to the group as possible. Taking a few minutes to be prepared is something everyone should do in my opinion in old content particularly.

I don't expect everyone to be mistake-less in their first, second, maybe even 3rd and so on runs since learning through experience is the best way to learn, but it really gets tiresome having to stop and explain everything in every fight or watching someone else type paragraphs for every little mechanic when the exact same information is readily available online and doesn't come at the cost of holding the group up.

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Well, to be fair I wrote that under the assumption that an average player in casual content such as dungeons and 24 person raids is able to read the battles well enough to be able to get by well enough without constantly wiping their group. I personally run every content from leveling dungeons to savage and primal fights blind the first time I do them, and I've never considered myself as a hindrance to my group because of that (nor have I ever been complained to about it). Granted I do most of them with full FC groups or on a patch day.

I do think it's ridiculous to expect players to watch guides before standard dungeon runs, story fights or 24 person dungeons. For me at least it would ruin the whole experience of actually seeing and experiencing the content for the first time. And it's very rare that 1 person even can mess up everything badly enough to cause significant hindrance to their group in this kind of content. In fact, just today we did 2 level 60 dungeons and Dun Scaith with a healer who was running them for the first time and didn't know absolutely anything about the instances. In all of the 3 instances, we wiped once - intentionally, since the first timer was dead and we didn't want to finish the boss without her. Queueing for Raid Finder content is a different matter, and for that I personally expect everyone to be prepared beforehand.

Also, I don't think that first timers should expect anyone to explain the fights to them in the instance. If you want to go blind and not prepare for the fight, go blind and do as well as you can. If you want explanations, look them up online before the run.