The broken FFXIV Holy trinity

I think SE should give the option to sync or not:

- If you sync (at the ilvl that the dungeon was designed for), you get the most good reward (100% tokens?)

- Half sync (like now, like ilvl 110 for i70 content), you will get less reward (40%?)

- If you dont sync, you get there with your full ilvl but you dont get any reward (so that you can still help friends to complete dungeons)

In this way i think we should all be happy?

I know some people like to use the "I don't care about minions" excuse, but I still think you can learn much about people based on the minions in their collection. When a guy is complaining about dungeons being too easy, but he doesn't have ANY minion encountered in a dungeon, including the green slime from Wanderer's Palace (the quintessential "Pull'em ALL and NUKEM DOWN" rodeo show)... it makes me question his expertise on the matter a little.

I could ramble on about WHY dungeons are the way they are, what with new players and tuning to accessible ilevels, but I think in the end, some people just don't fully enjoy certain content. I don't have pvp rewards, for example, because I don't much care for pvp.

For OP, go ahead and run dungeons in 3.0 with the "minimum ilevel sync" option enabled. I will be running with that option off, so we will never see each other. I wish you luck.

biggest problem i see with making these dungeons harder is that noobs will just quit it would be good if the level sync/il sync actually worked so it was like you first entered that dungeon

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

biggest problem i see with making these dungeons harder is that noobs will just quit it would be good if the level sync/il sync actually worked so it was like you first entered that dungeon

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This is why the game is stuck in Baby Land for years.
People hate to do anything that's not a DPS race to the finish.
See:
Steps of Fate.
Pharos Sirius.
Ampador's Keep.
Then people have the IQ of an uncooked potato so it's like this.

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Originally Posted by Seferex

I think SE should give the option to sync or not:

- If you sync (at the ilvl that the dungeon was designed for), you get the most good reward (100% tokens?)

- Half sync (like now, like ilvl 110 for i70 content), you will get less reward (40%?)

- If you dont sync, you get there with your full ilvl but you dont get any reward (so that you can still help friends to complete dungeons)

In this way i think we should all be happy?

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Not that this isn't a good idea, but it'd put us right back to life before Roulette. Yes, Roulette wasn't around until one of the median patches of 2.0 as a form of incentive to make high levels run older dungeons so that newer players could actually get them done. You take away the rewards and we're right back to high levels ignoring older content again because of lack of incentive. With this community comradery isn't the incentive it should be.

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Originally Posted by Seferex

I think SE should give the option to sync or not:

- If you sync (at the ilvl that the dungeon was designed for), you get the most good reward (100% tokens?)

- Half sync (like now, like ilvl 110 for i70 content), you will get less reward (40%?)

- If you dont sync, you get there with your full ilvl but you dont get any reward (so that you can still help friends to complete dungeons)

In this way i think we should all be happy?

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Better proposal:

- When you open the DF (without a party), you get paired only with players only of the same ilevel +/- 10 of you unless you opt for ilevelsync. In which case the ilevelsync will be set to "at release" and you get full tomes. If you don't opt for level sync, there are no tome rewards, only farmables (eg for relic weapons/glamour.) This would then allow players to farm the gear they want from the dungeons instead of just farming MSQ for tomes and going straight to the 110 gear.
- When you form a party first (including just the Chocobo) you can "solo" play a dungeon to farm an item/glamor gear, but you get no tomes.
- The last option is "time trial" where you get a different reward depending on how fast the dungeon is completed and how many people remain using the roles they queued as. This would disable Raise/Resurrect from being used, all consumable buffs, and if the party wipes, the Duty fails.


At the current point in the game's life, there is absolutely no reason to play any of the "Hard" dungeons for gear. They're only played for Relic gear quest farming.

Everyone currently gets their non-tomes gear from WoD (i120) or FCoB(i135.)

Broken? In FFXIV? Nah, it was broken in FFXI, where people turned Ninjas into tanks and Samurai into DPS. Here, the roles are clearly defined. That said, I've had to Tank things as a DPS from time to time to give the healer(s) some breathing space if the Tank(s) goes down... or isn't paying attention to the adds trying to eat the healers face.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Not that this isn't a good idea, but it'd put us right back to life before Roulette. Yes, Roulette wasn't around until one of the median patches of 2.0 as a form of incentive to make high levels run older dungeons so that newer players could actually get them done. You take away the rewards and we're right back to high levels ignoring older content again because of lack of incentive. With this community comradery isn't the incentive it should be.

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Well, we could just leave the stuff like they are now, but give the option to sync to the base ilvl and so you will get 200% reward from the roulette?

Actually a way to make dungeons relevant is to tie them to your alt jobs somehow.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

This is why the game is stuck in Baby Land for years.
People hate to do anything that's not a DPS race to the finish.
See:
Steps of Fate.
Pharos Sirius.
Ampador's Keep.
Then people have the IQ of an uncooked potato so it's like this.

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You forgot to include Thornmarch Hard. That was nerfed similarly to Steps of Faith as well.