Why are Black mages so upset about PVP?

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Originally Posted by JHeezy

Oh you know, like the fact that sometimes it'll bug out and the Paladin will take straight unmitigated damage. On top of the stuff that you mentioned.

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You know how I said "pre-cast self-buffs"? Any buff you have on before Cover is ignored. If you want to pop a CD, do it after Covering someone. It also always ignores Hallowed, and I believe SS as well (think it ignores SS on the Covered too, hilariously enough).

I've healed a Covering PLD many, many times...and I've never seen him take more damage than he should. Covering after losing aggro vs not Covering and holding aggro always gave me the same amount of healing "trouble" (+/- a reasonable amount, comparable to mobs critting or missing extra, and this would have to do with both of those, and Cover ignoring buffs). I also can't remember a single time he died while using Cover in these instances (which would indicate much more damage being taken than normal)

Obviously, if the enemy team is stacking mages, Cover is going to be useless. Which is on reason why my pre-made team will have physical and magic DPS on it...PLD covers the heal and I can't DPS the heal down...but the caster can...and while the heal is freaking out I'm slowly killing the PLD as well.

What these mages fail to realise is they can kite and use sprint. Shocking I know.

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Originally Posted by Pavise

What these mages fail to realise is they can kite and use sprint. Shocking I know.

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What you fail to realize is ranged attack exist aswell as skill that remove sprint
What you're apparently too stupid to understand is if a BLM don't get any cast off after getting into astral fire III you're going to lose your stack
Since you obviously don't know what you're talking about i'll explain. It take 3 fire I (7.5 second) or 1 fire III (3.5 second) to get astral fire III and then you need to hardcast fire I(2.5 second) every 10 second in order to keep that stack which is going to be borderline impossible with any direct damage canceling your cast
Crazy i know

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Originally Posted by Untucoi

Yeah, roll a blm and realise how many casts it takes to gut up and running on AF3 and then how long you can stay there. Add in our cd timers and our casting time, and ANY dps worth his salt can match us EASY.

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1 cast/3.5s (less with good stuff) time to cast a fire III and get to AF3 instant... well this aside it's true blm can probably get the most instant burst, but it need to chain his spell non stop to do it or he's just useless, where a monk can just spam WS doing around 190 to 360 dmg + an AA of ~160 which is very fast too.

Don't know what to think of PVP right now since we couldn't really test it, but I'm not that afraid being BLM there. Also it's a team play, guess that more than your job it'll depend on your team mates's abilities and yours.

The only thing they'll be able to do is scathe kiting but that attack has been nerfed so with the interruptions, they're going to be pretty easy to kill.

u know what pvp game was hard for mages? Daoc , but guess what ? they managed to survive and kill things even solo .... PBAOE mages were the KILLERS in PVP , the melees were there for distraction and disrupting healers / casters, a solo PBAOE mage could kill whole teams with some finesse.....(and traits :P)

Mezz AOE (sleep) , PBAOE BOMB = death enemys everywhere

i wonder what has the Spellcaster classes that always attract the crybabies lol, look at any other mmorpg pvp forums what u see? DPS mages crying for nerfs even when they are OP as hell ~~

I'm not upset, don't even know how it works to be upset.

manawall>manaward>fireII>FireII>(other team still halfway across the arena)>swiftcast FireII>surecast Freeze....>deal with anyone still standing

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

manawall>manaward>fireII>FireII>(other team still halfway across the arena)>swiftcast FireII>surecast Freeze....>deal with anyone still standing

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Well that's a massive 5yards aoe 800 damage that you've done there in that entire rotation

Now you're out of cooldown. out of mana and you removed your astral fire III with freeze without even granting yourself umbral ice I/II/III

Brilliant

yeah it's w/e time it is, I've been up for ten minutes and blah. But with a little tweaking I'm sure you can put out a lot of dmg before anyone reaches you using aoes. Plus freeze is supposed to work now which might give you an extra few seconds before they get to you. We can probably push out a lot of aoe damage unless we're targetted first and exclusively, which we can probably come up with tactics to deal with. I mean if everyone tries to rush the blm it leaves their healer or blm open to the rest of our team.