PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

That sounds... incredibly weak. The current IB is far superior and so is the 2.1 version. Unless you're talking about adding this effect.

"pops said skill, boss auto's one more time before using the skill you're hoping to pop this on, heals for 1/100th of next attacks dmg"

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That'd be overpowered if it was added on top of the 2.1 version and more or less pointless for the 2.0 one. I figured it would ignore auto attacks.

Although, it's my personal opinion that Warrior self healing at all is something their job shouldn't have.

I think Warriors should fight in Cloth armor, or for that matter, just take everything off, because it's mitigating damage, and that's a paladin thing.

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

I think Warriors should fight in Cloth armor, or for that matter, just take everything off, because it's mitigating damage, and that's a paladin thing.

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Agreed. Afterall its common MMO knowledge that mitigation is inversely proportional to the level of clothing worn. A naked warrior, especially a naked Mi'qote fem, would be impossible to kill. I can only imagine getting hit with death sentence for 5 damage.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

Agreed. Afterall its common MMO knowledge that mitigation is inversely proportional to the level of clothing worn. A naked warrior, especially a naked Mi'qote fem, would be impossible to kill. I can only imagine getting hit with death sentence for 5 damage.

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We should get some footage of a Cascader Uniform'd Female Warrior Tanking Twintania. I think it will get banned though, way too much exploiting of mechanics there.

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

Mostly becaus ein said scenario, it can happen within 2.5 seconds. IE No time to react, and get your heal off. A tank who got sniped to 80 HP will still live long enough to receive the heal, which will be useless on a dead tank.

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Infuriate to Inner Beast < 2.5 second for more than a 5% self heal which is what a war is short by for equality?
So neither of them die in the case. More than 2.5 seconds a Wars self heals more than cover the deficit.

Just sayin

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Originally Posted by VoxInaBox

Reasoning: It's on a 2.5 Global cooldown and lasts 6 seconds meaning it can be up almost always. Maybe a 4 second time frame where it won't be up. This move is Shield oath only without having to lose damage for it.

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Please just get out of here you barely know how your own class works let alone Warriors.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

Infuriate to Inner Beast < 2.5 second for more than a 5% self heal which is what a war is short by for equality?
So neither of them die in the case. More than 2.5 seconds a Wars self heals more than cover the deficit.

Just sayin

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Except using IB without infuriate to instantly restore your stacks (for anything other than to literally save you life) would be a net healing loss as you're building wrath during a dmg intensive boss fight? Correct me I'm wrong here... but wouldn't that just increase the gap between PLD and WAR effective healing?

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

Except using IB without infuriate to instantly restore your stacks (for anything other than to literally save you life) would be a net healing loss as you're building wrath during a dmg intensive boss fight? Correct me I'm wrong here... but wouldn't that just increase the gap between PLD and WAR effective healing?

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I was commenting on the proposed 2.5 second snapshot moment where a war would die but a pld would live becuase the pld can save itself in that 2.5 seconds. Just pointing out that in that same 2.5 a war also can save it's own ass.

Over the course of a real fight you'd be building wrath normally of course so you wouldn't be popping infuriate except in that "Oh shit" moment anyway like if you need to double up on IB.

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Originally Posted by Bromancer

This is easily the biggest load of delicious paladin tears I have ever wasted time reading. "mitigation is for paladins" lmao... @OP you might want to look up the definition of a tank class in well pretty much every game ever before you spout nonsense.

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Right, look at a definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_%28gaming%29
Suprisingly, "damage mitigation" is not the only way.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

IB would need to be some kind of % total HP heal rather than % dmg done as content and HP scale so much faster than warrior dmg does.

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Actually, damage and max hp scale at roughly the same rate because they're both gear dependent. Changing the self heal on Inner Beast would do jack and squat for actually balanced: 20% of max hp in 8 man content is *hugely* different from 20% of max hp in 4 man content (re: in the first, it's enough to let you solo a number of boss fights; in the second, it's barely enough to help you survive the follow up).

For self healing to be a useful and balanced form of mitigation, it needs to scale with *incoming damage*, not outgoing damage or max hp. Tank mitigation *has* to scale with incoming damage. If it doesn't, it's either hugely overpowered in 4 man content or hugely underpowered in 8 man content.