The dictionary and order for the translated words when being listed. Seriously.
Please is the last option, everyone isn't even there. What gives, SE?
If you type under, and hit tab. You don't get understood. You get UNDERGARMENT.
Enemy isn't even there. Just enemy sign.
I want this to be COPIED AND PASTED from FFXI
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03-30-2012, 11:41 PMMajidahI want this to be COPIED AND PASTED from FFXI
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03-30-2012, 11:43 PMThanos
Yea the auto translate right now really sucks and lacking.
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03-30-2012, 11:44 PMCrystalWeapon
FFXI <Do you need it?> <You can have this.> </point> <Over There.>
^ All kidding aside. The autotranslate in this game is horrrribly lacking in content. I would love to see it expanded. -
03-30-2012, 11:44 PMSeirra_Lanzce
the auto translator sure need more work out, here's hoping next time to be available on the client instead on server... :<
having hard time trying shout for cutter crys.. . -
03-30-2012, 11:46 PMMajidah
BEST thread title *snickers*
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03-30-2012, 11:46 PMMolly_Millions
indeed, more <auto-translate dictionary> words prease!
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03-31-2012, 12:00 AMSigny
What i really hate from the auto-translate is that it only load the names of things you have on your inventory or the places you just where. Soo, lets say that you log and travel around the zone of Ul'dah and then if you need to say a camp or place in La Noscea, you probably don't find it on the autotranslate...
With the amount of memory we have right now there is no excuse for no loading the full dictionary terms into ram...There is no PS2 limitation. You can keep this method on PS3 since it have a limited amount of memory but on pc it don't make sense... -
03-31-2012, 01:42 AMDragon
Agreed, the one superior thing FFXI has for sure is its auto-translate dictionary/system.
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03-31-2012, 03:42 AMXoo
I don't understand why you have to encounter a particular translator term in order for it to appear in the list. Why can't it be permanent?
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03-31-2012, 09:10 AMJhanaka
Hello!
Please feel free to continue to discuss this matter, but refrain from making any "sexual" comments using the old Auto Translate words.
Thank you and have a fun day.
-Senior Game Master Jhanaka -
03-31-2012, 09:12 AMXooI wonder why we can't have beavers in FFXIV. I always wanted some giant, oversized beaver to jump out from the wood to swallow me whole. If we could get beavers in the game, maybe we could get them in translator!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhanaka
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03-31-2012, 09:47 AMillriginalizedQuote:
Originally Posted by Signy
lol THIS WHOLE POST ^ didn't even make any sense. If any data of the game is stored on a PC... it would store on a HARD DRIVE. lol.. and btw my PS3 has a 1TB SATA drive attached to it... don't see any limitations in the next decade lulz
Edit: Unless you're talking about temporary memory.. but that would just be.. pointless.
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Originally Posted by Thanos
I agree. A lot of times I just want to communicate with JP players but the auto-translate makes it too difficult to communicate.. =\ -
03-31-2012, 11:04 AMMajidahWait, what? I'm confused. Who did that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhanaka
Seriously, thats like poking a sleeping tiger. -
03-31-2012, 11:28 AMZaaku
{Galka} {Meat} {Rod} {You can have this.} 2k
The /tells I got were both hilarious and sometimes serious. -
03-31-2012, 12:19 PMDenmoI lol'd that this was posted as a preventative measure. You can tell right away that this guy was an FFXI player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhanaka
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03-31-2012, 04:31 PMSignyLol you didn't play XI right? well there after a lot of patch they started doing what the auto translate on XIV does on default because there was soo many terms that it don't fit on the space of memory ram allocated for that on the ps2 or the pc version.Quote:
Originally Posted by illriginalized
Anyway, the point is there is no advantage of not have a the full auto-translate dictionary load on the memory. If you want to test it just type "camp" and you will get only the 8 camp most near to you. So if you are gonna teleport to a camp that is on the other side of the world you will have problems if you have to tell that to a Japanese person. -
03-31-2012, 06:46 PMillriginalizedActually I have. Since U.S. PC release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Signy
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03-31-2012, 08:18 PMzaviermhigo
I don't forsee many "ps3 limitations" if they forget the old gen ps3 exists, slim 320 plus 300GB SATA should be good (more than good now, good in the future), they should if anything give a SATA with the purchase of FFXIV for ps3 à la FFXI with PS2.
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03-31-2012, 09:27 PMMihanaYeah, really wondering where that one came from... Unless somebody did and it was deleted that's just asking for somebody to do it... Sorry but it's true. Not saying they should, but yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhanaka
Going back on topic I wholeheartedly agree that they need to redo the auto translator. Often it's hard to do a shout to get something materia melded when I can't explain to a japanese player what item I want melded, and with what materia. Or if I'm trying to get something crafted.
Me: "I want a pair of felt kecks made. <Can you do it?>"
Player: *speaks something in Japanese*
Me: "Um... Okay." *checks the auto translator* <Weaver> <Can you do it?> *checks the translator, finds there's no phrase for Felt Kecks* ... Crap.
And especially doing dungeons, really hard then since you can't put <Aurum Vale> when it doesn't show up. Also I totally agree on the undergarments part! Type "under" and you get that instead. You'll get plenty of laughs from it, but gets annoying over time.
EDIT: And something funny, when they remove certain phrases from the translator and you have it in a macro it converts into <???> instead. I got one made for the battle regimen and it reads something like "Starting <???>! Get <Ready!>" just funny to look at that, lol. -
03-31-2012, 10:39 PMDgsoil
You aren't getting <Aurum Vale> because it is in the auto-translator as <The Aurum Vale>. Just sayin'.
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03-31-2012, 10:45 PMb0atshahaha.. woopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhanaka
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03-31-2012, 10:51 PMJinko
Just make all servers regional and then we won't need auto-translate .. :D
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04-01-2012, 01:22 AMDragonTotally.. was so funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
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04-01-2012, 04:54 PMMurugan
I could care less about customizable UI add-on.
But a customizable auto-translate dictionary would be great. Being able to add in your own terms/remove unwanted ones, and allowing the international community to greatly improve it themselves. -
04-01-2012, 07:31 PMFelis
No more copy/paste please
Make it "like", not "same" -
04-02-2012, 02:49 AMbritestar90
On a related topic, is there a good list or something that shows what words and/or phrases the auto translate actually contains? Several times now I have got so frustrated when trying to use auto translate, never finding the words I needed. It would be easier to know what is possible to say and what is not.
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04-02-2012, 04:00 AMillriginalizedI have the first gen PS3.. it has more features than the new gen PS3.. granted I used a little bit of hax in order to keep my features due to SONY being weirdos about open source and backwards compatibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaviermhigo
Fact of the matter is.. PS3 is by no means limited for FFXIV, any computer engineer that knows the technologies used in the PS3 will tell you that. Computer Engineers > fan boys -
04-02-2012, 04:23 AMMajidahDude. Its already the same thing. The only difference is that XIV's dictioniary and listed order is crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
This fear to make things the same as XI needs to stop. -
04-02-2012, 10:24 AMkazaran
THey are revamping the engine which is nice, however they are also adding back load zones to make enviroments more varied in 2.0.
Unfortunatly I fear the Ps3 coudl very well hold things back just like the Ps2 did with XI. Sure the PC version looked much better, even the 360 version but the engine, updates and featues were limited to what the Ps2 coudl handle, and they already held back on the Ps3 version do to it's memory limitations and Sony's poor design of it.
Saying you don't see any limitations is clearly beign blidn to the systems design and the common complaints by developers about it. The memory isn't unified, there is a imitation to offsetting to the split design. The lack of hardware audio encoding, It all takes a hit, especially when MMO's come into play. The system is simpyl no where near todays PC's, even what is now todays middle grade PC's.
THe number one complaint by the large majority of high end develoeprs is the memory contraints and poor system design of the PS3. Plain and simple, it can not come close to todays PC's. Saying it can play an MMO like FFXIV at the same level as a PC is pure ignorance. It is already and issue, requiring an overhaul.
SE has said the graphics core will be highly scalable. To fuction on lower end PC's and the PS3, but enahanced for higher end PC's. Let's hope this holds true. However there is no need to add in load zones again for a PC due to PC's havign much higher memory, and Vram alone, that is between double to 4 times the total of the Ps3 alone. Todays Gpu's can stream textures and data much faster, in addtion to having more meory on each side to play with.
They need to make sure the Ps3's limitations do not affect current players and other PC gamers. -
04-02-2012, 11:32 AMSignyThats exactly what i'm saying, the game only load the terms that have some kinda of "relation" with you. For example if you don't have an item on your inventory you won't probably find it on the autotranslate. The same happends with a lot of terms on the game that just don't show up until you do something on relation with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by britestar90
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04-02-2012, 12:38 PMindira
dont know why they even started from scratch on the auto-translator alot of stuff could of been carried over from FFXI.
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04-03-2012, 01:32 PMMychaelI agree. Obviously not places, but the auto-translator in XI was fairly well-developed. I'm going to drop all of my suggestions in this thread. It's not "complete" because I'm tired and lost the will to finish. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
Please add...
Some terms I think should be added (some from XI, some not):
- Everyone
- Fact
- Last Boss
- Good Afternoon
- Anyone
- Big (or Large)
- Small
- Full, or Whole (we have half!)
- Part (as opposed to Whole/Full, but less specific than Half)
- Alternate character (i.e. alt--"my {Alternate Character} is level 30")
- I have one already. (Refers to linkshells, parties, or items)
- Could you please move to another location?
- I don't need it, but I could use it.
- How will we handle the distribution of items?
- Please pass it to me.
- Good
- Great
- Poor
- Awful
- Resist
- Resistance
Questions with no answers?
We have a lot of questions, but no way to respond without Google Translate. So for the various questions, I propose that the loc team look through and come up with 2~5 answers each that actually make sense. Obviously, many questions cannot be answered out of a limited dictionary, but I think it's fair to ask for some general responses such as these:
Who?
- The classifications from the 2.0 screenshot: Attacker, Caster, Tank, Healer, Buffer
- Leader (purposefully non-specific to allow for {Party} {leader}, {Linkshell} {leader}, {Front line class} {leader}, etc.)
When?
- Now
- In a little bit.
- Soon
- After
- Before
- Any time
- As soon as we are ready.
How many?
- Many
- Few
- Too many
- Too few
Greetings mis-labeled?
How are any of these terms "greetings?" I think "Greetings" should be re-named to "Courtesies" or the like, and some of these fit better in other categories.
- Goodbye!
- I had fun today!
- See you again!
- Let's play together again sometime!
- I'm back!
- Welcome back.
- Congratulations!
- Good Job! (-> Exclamations... new category? ;D)
- Good luck! (-> Exclamations)
- All right! (-> Exclamations)
- Thank you!
- You're welcome.
- Take care.
- I'm sorry.
- Please forgive me.
- That's too bad. (->Answers)
Other mis-categorized terms..
(Current -> Where they should be)
- Casting Spell (Reasons -> Actions...new category?)
- Oops! (Reasons -> Exclamations)
- Have stuff to do, gotta go! (Reasons -> [whatever category "Goodbye" is in])
- I don't know. (Reasons -> Answers...or Responses, see below.)
- I'm interested. (Reasons -> Answers)
- Fighting right now! (Reasons -> Actions)
- Medicine (General Terms -> Game Terms)
- Food (General Terms -> Game Terms)
- Can you hear me? (Languages -> Questions)
- Please use simple words (Languages -> Questions?)
- Please listen. (Languages -> General Terms)
- I need some time to put together my answer. (Languages ->Answers)
- Recommend (Organize -> ???)
- My gear is in poor condition. (Organize -> ??? (Trade, but I think "trade" should be dissolved)
Abilities
There is a category for each DoM/DoW's actions, but DoH/DoL actions are in a huge "abilities" category. Split it into "Crafter Actions and Abilities" and "Gatherer Actions," both to alleviate the confusion (It's an ability...but oh wait, it's a Gladiator and Paladin action, too.) and to make it less huge. There are already two categories basically--"Crafter Actions" and "Gatherer Actions," but they are too literal. They only include the actions (Stone Throw, Wrist Flick) as opposed to abilities (which are the vast majority of skills used by DoL/DoH. Just split it into these already-existent categories; add the "and Abilities" if it bothers someone's OCD.
Answers... or responses?
The "answers" category seems to be more of "responses" than actual "answers," which most commonly would refer to a question's answer rather than simply answering to a statement. Maybe it could be better named? ;)
Job/Class?
I don't think all of these are necessary. I suggest they be re-thought, a little, and a compromise could be found that would ask what role someone wants to play
- What classes can you use?
- What jobs can you use?
- Can you use any other job? (This question needs a non-job-specific counterpart anyway, or the EN version is bad since "job" takes on a specific meaning in FFXIV)
Differentiate between synonyms (or similar phrases)
There are a lot of phrases/terms which mean almost the same thing in English, and they make me wonder if there's a subtle distinction in other languages.
Differentiate between homonyms
- Second (It refers to the time, but is often used to mark the second thing in a series. )
- Clear (It refers to the weather, but is often used to decribe a cleared dungeon, or a transparent object)
Is this mean or not?
In general, I always assume that no auto-translate term is intended to be "mean," but a few, in particular, have made me wary of using them since I don't know exactly how they translate.
- Um...
- Huh?
- Really?
Buy/Sell
I've always wondered how it appears to other languages. When I say "{Crab Bow} {Buy?} 200k", am I saying "Will you buy my Crab Bow for 200k?" or "May I buy your Crab Bow for 200k?" Even though I'm almost certain "Buy?" indicates MY interest in buying (since "Sell?" can only work one way), but it's not clear. I say replace them with:
- Can I buy it?
- Would you like to buy it?
Overlapping Categories
- While I appreciate that the terms are organized, it's difficult to navigate because the classifications are not mutually exclusive. In other words, the terms in "Trade" could easily be sorted into "Questions," "Responses," and "Reasons." There are questions in "Organize," and so on. It makes it difficult to quickly naviage--"It's a question, but about this trade...um...."
Unofficial Languages
Would it be possible to add the names of languages that are not officially supported? So that when the Japanese player asks a Spanish player what their language is, and the Spanish person sees the English translation, they can translate "Spanish"? I don't know if this is possible, however, because of the sheer number of languages in the world. Someone's feelings would be hurt if you didn't list their language, so it may be best as is.
My biggest complaint: CACHE
- While I understand for items and players' names, I believe that places or statuses should be permanently saved so that we're not asking around the LS for someone to translate a zone's name before we can shout. -_-
- There needs to be a way to manually add items or NPC names to the dictionary's cache--see my thread on /translate from XI. -
04-04-2012, 04:06 AMDragonYou really nailed the problem on its head, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mychael
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04-05-2012, 11:05 AMBayohne
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the suggestions and feedback everyone! Like Mychael's really detailed suggestions (thanks!), what else are some limitations of the system you'd like to see changed, and what new terms/adjusted terms would you like? List them up and we'll prepare a list to present to the dev. team and see what we can do (keep in mind it's not a guarantee, but we're here to bring your voice to the development team's ear)!
Try out this handy-dandy template (of samples) I created to help us gather your comments -
Changes/Adjustments to Auto-Translate- Add a new category for "xyz" type of comments
New Terms/Updated Terms- Change "Hello" to "Top o' the mornin' to ye!"
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04-05-2012, 12:22 PMAnathiel
I have a question about auto translate....for instance <lie> does that mean like: I'm lying to someone? or that I'm going to lie down? Don't know how you would be able to make some very..."vague" terms more distinct. english is pretty tricky, but...there are some really grey ones in ff:xi.
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04-05-2012, 12:27 PMMeowyWowie
Any chance we can get a /translate command? Something to add existing items and/or areas into our auto-translate dictionaries? Often times I have to restart the game to get something I want into the auto-translate, but after zoning I lose it again >.>
Example:
/translate "Felt Trousers"
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04-05-2012, 01:59 PMRhianuI think that particular example could be solved by having the phrases "Lie down" and "Tell a lie" as options for the English client, while the word "lie" all by itself wouldn't be available at all. This same method of using a phrase in place of a single word could definitely help to clear up a lot of confusion over words with multiple meanings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anathiel
Here's a better idea: just make it so that every player always has access to every single term all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowyWowie
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04-05-2012, 02:34 PMmagenta_taco
no mention of stuff like easy prey, too weak to be worthwhile, incredibly tough, etc. anywhere? shame on you guys.
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04-05-2012, 03:21 PMJynxThis postQuote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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04-05-2012, 10:07 PMLaraul
Right now the dictionary is as flawed as it was with FFXI. Which is bad. For example, areas starting with "The" like "The Aurum Vale" require people to type "the" and then press tab. Typing "Aurum" followed by Tab will not list Aurum Vale!
The Dictionary is flawed from both a usability point of view as well as a functional point of view. People want terms added, but we don't need terms added. You will NEVER EVER insert every term necissary. Hence no one uses it for communication.
Pressing TAB should start the lookup process, not complete the preceeding characters. You press TAB and then start typing what you want to insert. As you type the list narrows until it lists an appropriate match. For translating, it needs to be smarter. It needs to know that "help me out" and "i need help" are synonymous. The translate to the exact same term.
Right now, the dictionary is using code written by people whom speak only one language. And it's clear not much thought has gone into it. In FFXI, it was seriously flawed. In FFXIV it's still seriously flawed. Right now it's a poor auto-completion tool.