100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Concerned4FFxi]

i agree more than 50% pdt is retarded. Only a pld's 2hr or a pld using ochain or aegis should be able to exceed mdt or pdt 50%.

[Duelle]

So if I play a non-party job and have no friends I should be allowed to be invincible? There isn't even any skill to it, it's -100% pdt. Can go watch tv while the pet fights it.

I heard -PDT also makes you immune to magic and magical TP moves. Confirm/Deny?

Personally, I would accept a nerf to PDT if and only if SE can swallow their pride, admit they screwed up majorly with the pet jobs and change them in a way that they can actually function in parties in ways that can be beneficial to the group while maintaining the jobs' theme.

[Korpg]

I heard -PDT also makes you immune to magic and magical TP moves. Confirm/Deny?

Personally, I would accept a nerf to PDT if and only if SE can swallow their pride, admit they screwed up majorly with the pet jobs and change them in a way that they can actually function in parties in ways that can be beneficial to the group while maintaining the jobs' theme.

....yeah. Make a soloable job unable to solo anymore. That's what those types of jobs need!

[Arcon]

....yeah. Make a soloable job unable to solo anymore. That's what those types of jobs need!

That's not what he said.

So far I think the essence of the thread is that most people recognize physical damage immunity is broken, but we should hang on to it regardless, so BSTs and PUPs can continue to solo. Yet some of the same people say it's easy to solo even with a lower than 100% PDT reduction, just that it takes more effort. Well, I guess that's a difference of opinion then, because I think it should be a challenge. It's not just inconvenient, if more Atma have to be focused on keeping the pet alive, damage is lower and hate becomes more of an issue (not only because of lower damage, but because the pet also takes damage, thus loses enmity). Sounds to me like it would be harder, yet still nowhere near impossible.

Why would I want life for BST to be harder? I don't, I don't care at all for BST, I don't play it, don't have it and don't know many people who do (although two of those are 100% PDT BSTs too). I simply think the arguments are flawed. "BST needs some loving too" isn't convincing in my eyes. I know of its capabilities even without this and I know it's still a great soloer, both inside and outside of Abyssea. But if it does in fact need some loving, this isn't the right way to go about it. It's a broken game mechanic and there's nothing else to it.

[Runespider]

Most everyone that is for this are pet jobs abusing it to easily solo NMs. I mean I don't mind people being able to solo, but this takes almost zero skill, no danger and it's just plain retarded.

The amount of physical and magic damage they can mitigate is insane and is totally broken, any excuses they can muster and nonsense. Saying "poor bst and smn had it so hard...let them have this, they need it!" Nonsense, no job needs such a heavy exploit, let them have a decent enough -damage number but not this high.

[Zyeriis]

It's not even damage - once it reaches 100%, its damage annulment, which is broken. I'm just waiting for the rest of us to realize it, all level bst (which will take how long? a week tops?) and start using a few BSTs to invincible hold NMs while we proc. Sure they won't be immune to magic and you can't target them with cure spells but, hey, thats why you would get more than one. Evasion tanking would be a thing of the past.

They may as well remove exp loss while they're at it, as no one will ever die. Remove White Mages and all curing spells because they'll be useless too.

[Malamasala]

i agree more than 50% pdt is retarded. Only a pld's 2hr or a pld using ochain or aegis should be able to exceed mdt or pdt 50%.

That isn't balanced either, since you can cure a PLD and not a pet.

The most balanced solution is lower PDT on pets and make them curable. Then a pet would be a PLD without hate tools. (except for snarl I guess)

[GlobalVariable]

let them have a decent enough -damage number but not this high.

Hows somewhere from 66 to 75 as a total cap for gear+atma/magical effect for everyone, not including burtang's ability go go higher to what I hear is around 87% sound to you ? I'm curious.



And I want to try and clarify some things to some posters. I hope I'm coherent, sorry but I'm sleepy.

Hate is a non issue. With zero atma and no pdt gear keeping hate on a pet isn't hard at all for any of the 3 pet jobs in solo situations, they've been doing it since before abyssea came along. Would prolly kill the trigger happy blm in my low man group though /snicker. And to be blunt the folks saying they "need" 100% are likely doing it wrong and gimping themselves. I find I need around 70% to not spend a fortune, and being a miser I prefer slightly more for mobs that I don't need evasion for.

Plenty of TP attacks are unaffected by -pdt (mercurial strike isn't even magic based and will ignore -pdt) and my pet can't utsusemi or fanatics drink its way out of the things joe average DD can. A high pdt build, even 100%, is not the easy button win vs every mobs it is being made out to be. And no we do not gets tons of easy -mdt with our -pdt. Different combination of stuff if you want to deal with magic damage.

I'm not trying to argue for 100% here, I'm trying to argue against against 50% (and some shoddy reasoning earlier). And NOT as compensation for being "shafted" but rather the simple fact that there isn't any other form of damage mitigation available for a jug pet.

I'm reminded of complaints I've seen before about the size of my pet food heal, its on a much longer recast than on any cure so it needs to be larger. I think people who don't see why our -pdt going over 50 isn't so bad (again, I'm not demanding 100) similarly don't have all the facts in mind when they say this. I even have to choose between removing paralyze now or saving my reward command in case of low hp. I dunno the exact details but I presume other pet jobs have quirks to work around as well.

Please ignore people who whip out that logical fallacy that 2 wrongs somehow make a right, and I hope most of you guys can see there aren't just 2 sides in this.

Man I rambled a bit...I hope this doesn't spawn a string of quoting and re explaining when I get up (@.@); I need to get to bed I'm beat.

[Arcon]

Sure they won't be immune to magic and you can't target them with cure spells but, hey, thats why you would get more than one.

About that. People keep saying BST still takes magic damage, which makes sense (on certain mobs, there's many mobs who don't posess any magical qualities at all), they forget to say that pets also take reduced magical damage as well. Not to mention some PDT items have also MDT on them (or rather, just general DT), and some MDT reduction only too. If you bothered, could even make 2x MDB axes, for additional magical damage mitigation.

And while you can't cast cure (which you won't need anywhere near as much as campared to normal players), you can still use Reward, for huge amounts of HP restored. And as was mentioned before, there's resummon of pets of course, and 4min10s really isn't much compared to how long they can survive (which is indefinitely on many mobs).

And why should a pet even be like a PLD? So a BST would be a PLD + healer + DD in one (not to mention damage is the primary source of enmity, and taking damage is the primary source of losing enmity, both of which pets are good at)? I remember at 75 two BSTs duod Hakutaku. They didn't have cure, they didn't have any of the gear they do now, they didn't have grossly overplayed PDT/MDT reduction. They still did what others were afraid to touch with an alliance. Of course it was hard and it probably took them some failed attempts before they got it right, but with the right amount of effort put in, they could do something that very few, if any, other job combinations could do duo, most people probably not even in a full party. And that's how I think it should be, they should be able to solo/duo things (although I'm not even convinced if that's how the job was intended, because it still has lots of party uses, more so than most jobs), but it should require some effort on their part. And obtaining the DT gear is neither hard (especially not for BST) nor very time consuming, apart from maybe Shepherd's Chain, which is luck based, and the least important item anyway.

[RAIST]

Good grief.. what's with all the hating on BST? For the record, I have a 90 BST, but rarely use it, so didn't do a -DT build for it. Everyone is neglecting that BST has to pay to play each time. Can't charm in aby, have to use jug pets--and they can't use a refresh atma and spam cures on their pets: they have to use meds on their pets, and have to wait on an ability timer to do that. They also can't just recast/redeploy a free pet like other jobs.

And let's not forget the utility of -DT on petless jobs....

Granted, 100% is a bit overboard in the general scope of things and might need a slight adjustment, but it isn't like they have the ability to crank out 60K damage in like 90 seconds to essentially one shot an NM. BST who go this route are, after all, sacrificing more resources and efficiency for the durability factor that other jobs simply do not have to deal with and get by just fine with less -DT builds and less of a loss of resources along the way.