Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Cream_Soda]

oh, well in that case, people who like to exp (key whore) but just don't like the strategy she uses could say the same, no?

[Dubberrucky]

It has nothing to do with feeling better. It has to do with everyone has things they like and things they dislike. That was my only point and it just happens that some people dislike leveling in the fashion that you do like.

Hence, letting people choose how they level. You level how you want. I'm not trying to force my way of leveling on you. All I ask for in return is the same notion.

Well, I only did it once (cor) and there was a lot of people I knew there, so the time just flew by. I didn't find it to be a boring experience.

Had it not known anyone and actually paid attention to only the boxes, that may or may not have been a different case, but i can't say, because that was not my situation.

Edit: Where as lving cor 10-30 was such a drag and one of more boring things I've done on this game. 1-10 was actually fun, but I find all jobs 1-10 to be fun, so no surprise there.

OK then by what you just said the end all be all of enjoyable leveling is leeching. Nothing that SE does to the game will change that for "the majority" of players. That exact attitude is what put this whole thread right into the gutter. I never said leave the outside of abyssea alone or that SE shouldn't change things around to make leveling faster than it used to be, they have already taken steps in this direction that are being used but not so much by oldschool parties. Maybe even give 30- 60ish jobs their own aby zone to play in if people really only like to aby party? People on both sides of this thread have looked at as an end all be all and its not the game changes constantly and has done so for many years. I mean exactly what I said and have said again in several dozen ways and stand by is that a level 30 has no business in a zone designed for 75+.

[Avina]

oh, well in that case, people who like to exp (key whore) but just don't like the strategy she uses could say the same, no?

Absolutely.

[Cream_Soda]

OK then by what you just said the end all be all of enjoyable leveling is leeching.

I never said that.

I said people should level the way they want to.

[Dubberrucky]

I never said that.

I said people should level the way they want to.

According to you as well as many other people in this thread its either the old way that "sucks" or leeching your levels neither of which needs to be true as we have all seen but suggestions for compromise between the 2 sides have been largely ignored when they shouldn't be. Contrary to your belife leeching effects everyone on the game not just those who leech if it was actually possible to avoid leechers 100% I would be a happy camper but its not there is no reliable way to avoid partying with them while still enjoying the broader scope of the game. If there was a way to label people who leech in a /search this would be a nonissue.

[Cream_Soda]

There are people who play your way and still suck, so I'm not really seeing your point here. They have an affect on everyone as well.

There are going to be horrible players and yes, you're 100% right, we can't avoid them all 100% of the time, but guess what. Leechers aren't the only people in that category.

[rog]

Whether other people enjoy it or not, if you do not, then your claims of enjoying the entire game are false. As for me, I enjoyed doing chests when I leveled Corsair (only job I leveled prior to 75 in abysssea)

Actually i kind of liked it too. It was mildly entertaining. Certainly nothing i'd want to do regularly, but every once in a while, i wouldn't mind it.

[nobodyhere]

it not like old fastion way stinks just if ya want a instant 90 job this way shouldnt be first choice
i dont care if ya do it but damn lol skilling up sucks
i would hate to do it but that just me

[Dubberrucky]

There are people who play your way and still suck, so I'm not really seeing your point here. They have an affect on everyone as well.

There are going to be horrible players and yes, you're 100% right, we can't avoid them all 100% of the time, but guess what. Leechers aren't the only people in that category.

Any way people level there will still be those who do not grasp the game. Since abyssea leeching this number has risen significantly but you are just causing me to beat an dead horse here that you already know but do not choose to look at the effect it does have on others in the game. If it was not a problem and leeches stuck to partying in party's OK with it no one would care either way. As we all know the honor system does not work so unless someone comes up with a good solution this topic will never die.

[Zumi]

Who really cares if someone takes their level 30 character in abyssea to do keys for exp. Not me.

There are other problems that could be fixed this really isn't a problem at all.