Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Alukat]

of course the 75 Angra mainyu wings & 100 Dynamis lord have to be a 100% for 1 drop and with a chance for 2nd drop ^^
to make them equal ^^

[Karbuncle]

They never said they were going to make them easier to obtain they said they were going to balance the difficulty between obtaining relics and mythics.

Also I will laugh my ass off if the the 95 and 99 Empyreans use dynamis currency to upgrade. And I can totally see SE "balancing" the difficulty of Empyreans and Relics that way.

The context of the words where they mention "Balancing" tells me they're making relics easier. The fact they're adjusting old Content like Dynamis to be accessible once per day, and to anyone, as well as planned adjustments to Salvage in the future, Tells me their goal is to make Relics/Mythics easier to get, not empyreans harder.

Context is everything, and from the way things are going my guess is simpler. You're usually pretty smart, but it seems to me like you're letting your anger over your relics becoming less than useful cloud your better judgment. Because anyone can see by the upcoming updates, and their wordings, their plans are to make Relics/Mythics easier to obtain.

They may do both (Make Empyreans harder to upgrade to 95-99) but i think the will make Relics, at least, slightly easier to come by. not a lot i suspect, as their adjustments to currency will probably suck. But at the same time who knows, I know i'll be getting on my THF and checking out Sandy to see how everything is lined up.

[Byrth]

The magian trials for Empyreans have been harder than the Magian trials for Relics. Apart from making relics easier to get (which they've implied they're doing by increasing currency in circulation, reducing Dynamis entrance time, etc.), Relics are probably going to enjoy an extension of their current joke trials on the way to 99. The difficulty of getting a relic is essentially going to become the difficulty of getting the currency, which could change dramatically with this coming update.

Empyreans, on the other hand, seem likely to keep getting trials in line with their current ones, which makes them progressively harder by comparison.

[Dart]

trust a cat to come forward with the winning argument!

This is entirely true. They're easy in so much that they're accessible but you still need organisational skills/some level of skill/etc.

Wanting only a tiny tiny fraction of players having the top gear is akin to thinking Defending Ring's droprate is reasonable, or that you should have to compete in HNM to get the best stuff. Why does it matter to you what other people have?

Empyreans are still not "common" by any stretch of the imagination.

I've completed two in 3 1/2 weeks lol. They're a joke. Raennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I'm on the fence about relics. I put in my time and got my apoc. Was a ton of work and would not have been possible without a small legion of friends. I do kinda wish they were the best, but I doubt SE will adjust them that much. Guess I"ll had to find solace in other ways. /goes to play with ukon & caladbolg.

[RaenRyong]

I've completed two in 3 1/2 weeks lol. They're a joke. Raennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I'm on the fence about relics. I put in my time and got my apoc.

Exactly, you're the kind of player who can achieve these empyreans fairly quickly. For most people, it takes a lot of time and commitment and the majority will never get one. It took me about 2-3 weeks to finish my Almace90 which isn't particularly fast but I acknowledge was still more hardcore than a lot of players could do (cost me upwards of 4m doing the Apademak stage, had to pay loads of people for Briareus to speed it up - and I had a fairly well geared Pitchfork NIN to do the red procs with, as well as a lot of friends who helped - not everyone will have these resources, or your resources, etc).

[Byrth]

Assuming you can farm 200 currency per hour (last Dyna-Bastok net me 650), relic weapons take about 15000 currency. 75 hours of Dynamis per relic weapon, or 25 runs.

If you sleep 8 hours a night and have a hardcore group of friends, you could complete Relic weapons in a week too if it wasn't for the entrance restrictions. It's a similar amount of work, you just can't blitz it like you can with Empyreans.

[Anewie]

Empyreans being easy is a good thing I think. A better thread title would have been "are relic weapons supposed to be this weak?"

[Dallas]

The road for emp weapons is not complete. We're on Stage 3. How hard is stage 3 of relic? Yes, Stage 3 emp is much better than stage 3 relic, but we would have to wait years for the final stage if SE held it from us.

[Alukat]

Assuming you can farm 200 currency per hour (last Dyna-Bastok net me 650), relic weapons take about 15000 currency. 75 hours of Dynamis per relic weapon, or 25 runs.

If you sleep 8 hours a night and have a hardcore group of friends, you could complete Relic weapons in a week too if it wasn't for the entrance restrictions. It's a similar amount of work, you just can't blitz it like you can with Empyreans.

let me guess, 4 100's + 250 1's currencys? 4 100's is pretty lucky though.

[Satyr]

It took me 3 years, playing 6-8 hours a day, making gil every day to self fund Mandau. That isn't zero challenge, that is the most soul crushing thing I have ever undertaken, inside FFXI or outside of it. It was a challenge just to to force myself to log into the game every day and continue.

Sounds like getting relic was a lot of fun....why did you even bother if it was soul crushing. Secondly your essentially saying that the only difficult thing about making a relic is trying to justify in your head the fact that you are logging in to a video game to not have fun .... why even play? You choose to buy in to quite possibly the worst thing to ever be put in to an MMO. Well, SE finally learned how bad their old design philosophies were (hint: relics) and made something that the majority of their player base can enjoy.

So now, because some of you choose to have zero fun getting a weapon that you now feel you wasted your time making (actually as an above poster mentioned, some of you regretted it the first time you even equipped it), those of us who are having fun making our emp weapons are unworthy of the weapons we now wield? No...times change.

The analogy that someone made earlier about buying a new computer is perfect. Why should I expect my 5 year old computer to always be the best? I don't. I go out and upgrade my old computer to be better (hmm sounds like relic and mythic trials) or I just go buy a new one. Should I be pissed off that the computer I got 5 years ago cost me 1500 bucks and that now computers that are 10x better than my old one cost about 700 bucks? No... I am happy cause now I can get something that is new and bad ass for half the price that I previously paid.

...and by the way if someone says "omg you can't compare RL to FFXI"... your right, I can't, because I sure as hell worked a lot harder at my job to pay for a new computer than anyone ever did to get some pixels on a computer screen.