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    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    3) People were supporting S/E not having a back-up plan for a scenario when their central operations went down, having sympathy for poor planning on S/E's part because of the situation
    Wow. "Poor planning". Woooooowwwww. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're saying that third one was other people's assessment of the situation. If I am correct in my assumption that you fall into one of the 2 other listed categories, then this response is not directed at you, it's directed at everyone who actually believes SE should be held accountable for not being prepared for one of the worst natural disasters of recent times.

    Response: YOU DO NOT PAY SE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO HAVE REDUNDANT SERVERS IN ALL 7 CONTINENTS. Just as it is impractical to walk around in full body armor all the time just in case you get attacked, it is impractical and costly to have a back up plan for when Thor, God of Thunder, decides to fart destruction upon your entire country.

    Now that I've responded to those heartless people who always need a human or humans to blame if something inconveniences them in the slightest bit... if I'm reading into your post correctly, you're essentially saying that you felt compassion for SE as a company, but now you feel betrayed that the compassion was not reciprocated, largely due to the fact that this item (which you likely have no use for) has been included in their compilation. Perhaps even extending the argument so far as to say that SE is using the sympathy they've built up from the disaster in order to make more money. In which case you're simply being illogical since they have made much better attempts at our money than this, and this item is not extremely useful beyond the 3 hours of your life it might save you depending on how many sub-30 jobs you level. Or perhaps I have completely missed your point..
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  2. #222
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    ... if I'm reading into your post correctly, you're essentially saying that you felt compassion for SE as a company, but now you feel betrayed that the compassion was not reciprocated, largely due to the fact that this item (which you likely have no use for) has been included in their compilation. Perhaps even extending the argument so far as to say that SE is using the sympathy they've built up from the disaster in order to make more money. In which case you're simply being illogical since they have made much better attempts at our money than this, and this item is not extremely useful beyond the 3 hours of your life it might save you depending on how many sub-30 jobs you level. Or perhaps I have completely missed your point..
    You did completely miss the point.

    The point I'm making is that companies, most of the good ones, make every attempt to have customers believe that it isn't a business focused primarily on the bottom line. But, instead, some entity with which they have a relationship. The point is that for 1 & 2 on my list, they succeeded with some people. There were many people wanting to donate through them, when giving to the Red Cross was easier and just as effective, which showed that people had a personal connection with the company. You could pick just about any of the major charities and your money would still have gotten to the Japanese people. As far as people still wanting to pay S/E their monthly fee when S/E was waiving it, that is a big one. How many businesses would you say to "take my money, you need it." Yet, there were quite a few people who said just that.

    As far as the final point, I'm guessing you haven't been on the forums long. This was a major discussion with people ripping S/E a new one for not having a back-up plan. And, it wasn't just a couple people. Unrealistic or not, I'm doubting you would find anyone who felt an affinity for the company arguing that one. But, there were quite a lot of people who did rip-up on S/E for just that reason.
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  3. #223
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    So you're trying to say that SE isn't trying hard enough to fool us into thinking they don't care about the bottom line? Or that they're trying too hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    So you're trying to say that SE isn't trying hard enough to fool us into thinking they don't care about the bottom line? Or that they're trying too hard?
    That would be correct on the first point. If you can make a customer believe that it is more about them than the money, you're being smart. If people believe you care more about their wallet than them, they will shop around for someone who is easier on the wallet. It has nothing to do with reality. Even hospitals are about the bottom line. They don't ever want you to believe that. But, it's true. However, a good business makes you believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    That would be correct on the first point. If you can make a customer believe that it is more about them than the money, you're being smart. If people believe you care more about their wallet than them, they will shop around for someone who is easier on the wallet. It has nothing to do with reality. Even hospitals are about the bottom line. They don't ever want you to believe that. But, it's true. However, a good business makes you believe otherwise.
    This actually makes a lot of sense.

    Just saying >___>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuneo View Post
    I don't see why we shouldn't be entitled to it. The beret comes in addition to the content, yet we already own the content. How exactly can you justify paying $20 for a collection that I already have all the content from
    The same way I bought the game, 4 expansions, and 3 add-on scenarios for 15 bucks? The only difference is a hat that won't affect the end-game (or even mid-game) scene at all.

    Scenario 1: Buy the game, every expansion, and every addon as they come out paying full price, being able to play as soon as they're available.

    Scenario 2: Buy the game, every expansion, and every addon for a fraction the full price for each significantly later than when they came out therefore having access for a shorter period of time.

    Scenario 3: Same as Scenario 2 except throw in a hat, and all hell breaks loose.

    People that paid full price for each addon/expansion got it as soon as they were available and were able to progress through the content at their leisure. People who buy the new add-ons now are almost a year behind and won't have the same luxuries of knowledge, experience, and Linkshells to make progression easier.

    Using the cable example, the "long time customers" got to watch/order more content than the ones who buy cable tomorrow. Your subscription fee is your entitlement to the content. The time you spend paying this fee does not entitle you to anything other than the content you pay for, be it 10 years or 10 seconds.

    You chose to buy the Add-on scenarios when they came out. Could've waited until a few weeks from now to buy it and get a free hat, but you didn't you bought it at the price they set. Your reward is being able to play that content for a significant amount of time before the people that buy it in 2 weeks.

    If you don't like the idea of throwing a bunch of money at a wall and then seeing new people come up to that wall and be able to do the same thing for a lesser amount than you probably shouldn't be playing MMOs.
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    And you feel this collection is one of their bigger failings to obscure the truth that they don't care about us, they care about our money? A blatant and outright lunge at our pocketbooks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    And you feel this collection is one of their bigger failings to obscure the truth that they don't care about us, they care about our money? A blatant and outright lunge at our pocketbooks?
    No, just one of the more obvious ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    This actually makes a lot of sense.

    Just saying >___>
    While it does make sense and good on a company that can do that and maintain a successful business model, this doesn't necessarily mean that SE is doing exactly that. While I think SE cares about it's consumers more than some (look at all the effort going into fixing FF14), they need to pull in more new players as well.

    Making your old customers is certainly a concern, but getting NEW customers in addition to your old ones, is probably their focus. If you can keep the old customers complacent, and the get some new ones while you're at it, why not release a new Ultimate collection like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randwolf View Post
    No, just one of the more obvious ones.
    Cereal with worthless little toy prizes which you have no use for. Also an obvious attempt at getting adults with no children to buy the cereal? No, they have an obvious target: children. This hat has an obvious target: newbs.
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