New update, new subjob?

[Kagato]

Talking with a friend of mine, I think I'll keep /SAM as my go-to sub, but I'll keep /WAR in mind as well. I'll also level up BLU as well because with DRK's damage output getting a huge boost, especially if Souleater is better than expected, I think the defensive and unique options /BLU can provide will prove useful in a few situations.

Regardless, I think the Store TP from /SAM is just a little too good to pass up. Especially if I plan on using the low-delay Redemption.

[RaenRyong]

It looked like the SAM got just under double the number of WS off and had alot more melee DMG (mainly cause his aftermath and all but he had like 10-20% more hits off overall) but me getting 4-5x More DMG than his WS push me over by a fair distance.

Critical hits don't multiply your damage by 4-5x.

/war: paper tank and not as good as /sam
/sam: best
/blu: waste for reasons listed above.
/thf: lol

[Jar]

Critical hits don't multiply your damage by 4-5x.

/war: paper tank and not as good as /sam
/sam: best
/blu: waste for reasons listed above.
/thf: lol

/thf will with torcleaver on alot of abyssea NMs

[RaenRyong]

Critical hits add 1 to existing pdif. For this to multiply your damage by 5, you would need 0.2 pdif beforehand. For this to multiply your damage by 4, you would need 0.25 pdif.

It would be generous to say that criticals double your damage in a realistic situation, and then add Razed Ruins bonus... it's not approaching 4-5x.

/thf is dire.

[Rezeak]

@ 1.00 pdif + Crit = x2 DMG X Crit DMG bonus 1.40 = 2.80x DMG (which is fair enough on harder NMs)

Then the rest was made up by atma choice and playstyle.
DRK/SAM was using VV RR Apoc and DRK/THF used VV RR and 50 Vit atma
Like i said the DRK/SAM go off x2 more WS than me because i was holding TP till i used Sneak attack. Aka i'd Sneak attack > WS > WS > Sneak attack > WS > WS
Using absorb tp before the sneak attacked WS.

Either way on the parse it showed 4-5X DMG more from WS DMG alone.

Anyway i'm not really bothered about the maths it's been the results i've had with the sub of repeatedly beating what my DRK/SAM can do in low haste, Hard NM situation.

My DRK/SAM has all AF+2 Twilight helm and Adaman Body and i use a selection of weapons depending on situation OAT Def down and twilight Scythes then Espafut +2 it's not like it's lacking anything except Twilight body and Empyrean and to do with playing DRK i know SAM is basically just hitting your lowest hit build while spamming the jas fast as you can't without wasting them but still my DRK/THF beats it in some situations.

That being said i do admit /SAM will beat /THF in any situation ur capping haste with a BRD also any case you can't land Sneak attack reliably and any case you in the higher end of the pdif section.

But that being said it's far from dire.

And while i don't really consider SC in the DMG waiting 10 secs to close light of a WAR spamming Ukko's with a SA Torcleaver so u can do up to 10k DMG is never a bad thing.

Also any situation where we Fight NMs and it's WS only (aka tp off mobs and WS on NM) DRK/THF totally owns DRK/SAM

[Dart]

what mobs are you ws'ing only on? doing 4k+ ws you become the tank. What job is going to hold hate off you? Certainly not ninja. Warrior might be able too but they'll be /sam and tanking....

[Jar]

what mobs are you ws'ing only on? doing 4k+ ws you become the tank. What job is going to hold hate off you? Certainly not ninja. Warrior might be able too but they'll be /sam and tanking....

trick attack! also after hate caps just stand on other side of mob from other DD and time SA right

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Would mnk not be a good defensive subjob, at least in Abyssea with the Counter ATMA etcetera, Especially with the hate DRK will take with enhanced Last Resort and the basically capped delay reduction from all the haste?

[vedder]

yes mr hatcher its been discussed multiple times on multiple forums but its only good if your actually the tank eg holding hate so ur counter attacks add to your dps(dont get tp though) and it requires a rather specific atma selection if im not wrong, RR/RL/GH? dart an gradd i think have used it, in still lacking RL an /mnk25 atm busy working on ls empys an my caladbolg to work on things post empy lol

[Rezeak]

Hate issues really never seem to be that big of a deal with 3k HP but i'll go over it

This isn't for all mobs but most.
From the start we have a MNK normal DDing it and therefore capping hate while we are just getting staggers.
Once we get staggers all the DDs go all out to bring down the mob as fast as possible.

When i'm playing DRK/THF the first WS i won't get hate off a Tank because of the -50 enmity i have from Souleater
By the second one i may get hate for a short period of time but it'll be taken off by some other DD before i die because in my ls most DD have emperyans now i think we have err 8 or 9.

Really as far as things go Taking a few melee hits isn't a big issue it's the TP moves that are the things that kill people when i do abyssea.

And yes occsonally i do die before i get to the 3rd SA Torcleaver but most stuff we fight rarly lasts 3 mins after stagger so it doesn't even matter that much.

Ofc if your in a low man group where the only DDs are You and the Tank (NIN PLD MNK w/e) then yea ofc /SAM or /NIN because u can't SA a mob that is hitting you.