Revamp Elemental Spells to Be More Logical and Realistic

[Rezeak]

I loled when he said ELEVEN tiers

[Byrth]

I was pretty sure people knew this a while ago. I was confused when you quoted ffxiclopedia and it wasn't a part of their formulas, but ffxiclopedia lost the support of many of the testers in the community when they sold out to wikia.

Point is, -%MDT and the 50% elemental resistances shown in this thread and elsewhere are applied in different steps, meaning the wiki formula is likely missing a step between 1 and 5. I think I can limit it down to "between 1 and 4" if I buy a water staff and go nuke a gigas leech on non-day again with 71 INT on a 75 Hume RDM/BLM.

Similarly, Staff bonus and the new "Affinity" terms are separate and not shown in the wiki page. It's just incomplete.

[Byrth]

I honestly can't understand what you post.

The thread I linked was about the elemental order skillchains default to, and we developed a technique in it that can be used to roughly approximate target elemental resistance (elemental Magic Evasion). I linked it because you were complaining (I think) about not having a way to calculate target elemental resistance (elemental Magic Evasion) and decouple it from elemental damage resistance (like Water Damage-50%).

[Byrth]

I don't know if your fire staff started working again. I mostly focused on the Dark skillchain side of things, because that's the easiest for me to make as Dancer and I had a lot of the Obis already.

There was a patch many moons ago where SE patched skillchain damage to be "more accurate" without giving any description as to how. My theory is that they made it default to the lowest resistance element. It obviously doesn't just default to the highest damage element, as wearing an Anrin Obi on Darksday and making Darkness on a neutral monster doesn't result in 110% damage every time.

If you cast Dark Threnody on the same neutral monster on Darksday and make Dark skillchain with Anrin Obi on, you get the day bonus 100% of the time. This indicates to me that it's dependent on some elemental magic evasion check.

I've attempted to understand what you're typing, but it isn't coherent and I don't sense that the information content is high enough that I should bother to sort out what you're saying. There are plenty of smart people around that can write coherently, so I'd prefer to talk to them about the same issues. If you want to be understood, write in a way that's understandable. I'd like to include you in debates on magic stuff, because you seem to be perfectly willing to do testing and have some grasp of the equations, but if you can't communicate with your peers then it isn't worth the effort.

[Rambus]

I really wished there was a PM feture, but if i am only going to be used as a joke target on BG I am not giving information anymore, this is why I hate doing it in the first place, like I said what you are talking about on there i knew 4-7 years ago, I just did not know how to get it out there without being attacked.

SC threads > no one cares
damage threads> you are wrong sorcs mitts are 7 mab , etc etc

I am not understood if people are not lazy. it is numbers it is not hard.

still though it looks like the stuff we talked about is pushing them into a direction that i am sure i will not get credit for so w/e, dont care anymore.

[SNK]

I really wished there was a PM feture, but if i am only going to be used as a joke target on BG I am not giving information anymore, this is why I hate doing it in the first place, like I said what you are talking about on there i knew 4-7 years ago, I just did not know how to get it out there without being attacked.

Have you ever thought that's it's strange that a lot of people seem to be targetting you so much? The only reason people on BG, Alla, and FFXIAH attack you so much is because you've asked for it.

No really you do keep asking for it. >_>

A lot of the time people target you is because you're either spreading misinformation or you're completely wrong about something a lot of the time. Even when you're proven wrong you still hold to your guns and won't back down and give anyone credit for telling you how it is.

If you'd just relax and stop crying about stuff *I.e. hitting the Report Post Button*, you might realize that maybe, just maybe you might not be right all the time like you feel you are.

This is about as harsh as I can be about this but a huge majority of drama stirred up here is either because of posts by you, Starcade or a few others that just end up making all of you easy targets when you can't back down when you've been proven wrong.

[TybudX]

Not that I want to defend Rambus, but there was a lot of stuff he posted on KI years ago that I thought would be common sense by now, but has only become accepted lately. His meddling and attempts at social engineering make him hard to deal with, but for the most part his math is spot on. He's like the anti-pchan... one is completely left, the other completely right.

[Rambus]

Not that I want to defend Rambus, but there was a lot of stuff he posted on KI years ago that I thought would be common sense by now, but has only become accepted lately. His meddling and attempts at social engineering make him hard to deal with, but for the most part his math is spot on. He's like the anti-pchan... one is completely left, the other completely right.

I had orders wrong but I have no one to bounce ideas from. Because of that i never perused them due to lack of caring. I knew it was possible to find the orders for them due to the drop decimals. you can say i had the foundations built for a lot of things but never got to finish.

I have discovered how MB bonus of AM II work, other MB bonuses like sorcs hands, AM II base, V spells (stone V, and Tim for them), helix, the 50% def in mobs, and sc theories before anyone else though. (to my knowledge, and the postings on BG seem to reinforce this, i made V spell threads before it was put on wiki). I even went on BG myself once to correct how helix worked. (though i was wrong about some aspects in how DoT works of helix after update)

I even tried to state such things on alla/ ki after I discovered them ( like the 50% damage in mobs on 2005 on alla, to see someone link me been first documented in 2009 in bg)

[Byrth]

I even tried to state such things on alla/ ki after I discovered them ( like the 50% damage in mobs on 2005 on alla, to see someone link me been first documented in 2009 in bg)

This wasn't the first documentation. This was someone's mage mule showing that 50% resists on damage were now a 50% decrease in duration, and then a bunch of people going, "Holy shit, damage is reduced by 50% all the time!" because they didn't know how nuking works.

Any serious mage knew about the 50% species damage reduction a long time before 2009, just as you did.

[Rambus]

This wasn't the first documentation. This was someone's mage mule showing that 50% resists on damage were now a 50% decrease in duration, and then a bunch of people going, "Holy shit, damage is reduced by 50% all the time!" because they didn't know how nuking works.

Any serious mage knew about the 50% species damage reduction a long time before 2009, just as you did.

eeek linked me one of the most serous mags i know of. Eeek would not of been auguring with me if it was that well known. in fact Kaeko was the person that corrected me on the helix dot after update.

what about you? "i do not think it is 50% exactly because i get 32 and 34 on a mob"

I told you it was from order of operation situation, hence wiki quote, then you started on skillchains.

I do not know if you where trying to "test" me or what...