A Few Merit Ideas!

[Sotek]

Bullshit, also what else are you gonna merit? grimoire recast?

Really? It's bullshit that someone wouldn't have MP issues? Have you played FFXI recently? Sublimation and Convert have both become next to useless for me. Even before Abyssea I never had any real MP problems, with Convert now as well +50 MP on Sublimation is just worthless, screw that, the Sublimation update alone probably suffices.
As it is Helix merits are the only ones that even do anything, +50 MP is a joke and Grimoire recast is worthless. I'd change it to one of them even though they're worthless but I actually have hope that everyones constant bitching about Modus will actually make them fix the damned thing. If not, I'm still not gaining anything by switching since both are worthless and you're going to have to be a god of persuasion to convince me otherwise.

[Raksha]

Really? It's bullshit that someone wouldn't have MP issues? Have you played FFXI recently? Sublimation and Convert have both become next to useless for me. Even before Abyssea I never had any real MP problems, with Convert now as well +50 MP on Sublimation is just worthless, screw that, the Sublimation update alone probably suffices.
As it is Helix merits are the only ones that even do anything, +50 MP is a joke and Grimoire recast is worthless. I'd change it to one of them even though they're worthless but I actually have hope that everyones constant bitching about Modus will actually make them fix the damned thing. If not, I'm still not gaining anything by switching since both are worthless and you're going to have to be a god of persuasion to convince me otherwise.

Even inside abyssea I find uses for all of my MP, and more never hurts. Sure if i'm half-ass healing or something I have an infinite MP pool, but who gives a shit.

I frequently run out of mp popping t4/t5 spells (even with parsimony) and pumping convert and sublimation when available.

+50 mp is loads more useful than modus veritas and grimoire recast.

[Sotek]

Even inside abyssea I find uses for all of my MP, and more never hurts. Sure if i'm half-ass healing or something I have an infinite MP pool, but who gives a shit.

I frequently run out of mp popping t4/t5 spells (even with parsimony) and pumping convert and sublimation when available.

+50 mp is loads more useful than modus veritas and grimoire recast.

That's funny, I can main heal (with no support) spamming Cure IV with Rapture and have an infinite MP pool.
Likewise, I only spam nukes with Ebullience and have an infinite MP pool.

I think you're doing something wrong (the fact that you admit to still using Parsimony makes that much clear), feel free to brag about running out of MP though. 3/4s of our Group 1 merits are worthless, if they ever fix Modus Veritas it's easily the best thing to merit.

[Raksha]

That's funny, I can main heal (with no support) spamming Cure IV with Rapture and have an infinite MP pool.

By half-ass healing I mean the piss poor job we do of it because of only being able to spam cure4. Even so several accession > cure4s in succession is a big MP drain. Maybe you just low-man everything where you only have to heal 1 or 2 guys, but during LS events I support heal an entire alliance and it isnt easy.

Likewise, I only spam nukes with Ebullience and have an infinite MP pool.
I think you're doing something wrong (the fact that you admit to still using Parsimony makes that much clear),

I Only use parsimony once I drop down to about ~50% mp, Cool strawman bro.

feel free to brag about running out of MP though. 3/4s of our Group 1 merits are worthless, if they ever fix Modus Veritas it's easily the best thing to merit.

Looks who's bragging now.

If you always have infinite MP, even spamming ebullience, then you arent killing fast enough. Do you stop to rebuff after every kill or something?


And If 50 MP is useless, then so are hp/mp merits let's whine about them. If 7INt from stormsurge is uselss then so is 5INT from merits.

I agree we need better group1 merits (sublimation included) and i'm not saying that sublimation merits are the best thing ever, but they aren't 'useless'.

[Sotek]

By half-ass healing I mean the piss poor job we do of it because of only being able to spam cure4. Even so several accession > cure4s in succession is a big MP drain. Maybe you just low-man everything where you only have to heal 1 or 2 guys, but during LS events I support heal an entire alliance and it isnt easy.

I cannot feasibly see the point in doing anything with more than 5 other people at this point in the games life. And that's pushing it. Sure if you're healing an Alliance MP might be an issue, but still playing in 2005 would be more of an issue to me in that case.

Looks who's bragging now.

If you always have infinite MP, even spamming ebullience, then you arent killing fast enough. Do you stop to rebuff after every kill or something?

Going to have to talk me through that. I'm not killing fast enough? MP becomes an issue the shorter the fight? ...What? I do hope that's a typo, because MP will only become an issue on long fights and as I've already asserted I lowman that's probably the case, yet MP still isn't an issue, odd.
If you mean NQ azure light farming and what not, I really don't care about that. Between restore chests and endless temps MP definitely shouldn't be an issue there, though.
If I was killing too slowly and buffing constantly then MP would probably be an issue. Really, I say I'm not running out of MP, if anything that means I'm killing faster than I should.

And If 50 MP is useless, then so are hp/mp merits let's whine about them. If 7INt from stormsurge is uselss then so is 5INT from merits.

Considering this topic is about Scholar merits and our discussion is about Sublimation merits, I'll refrain from complaining about HP/MP merits, but yes, they are fairly useless (though a flat out +MP is far more useful than extra Sublimation MP for what it's worth); as are the majority of weapon and magic skill merits. The whole merit system is pretty much trash to be honest. If I feel like it I'll make an entire bitchpost at how awful merits are in general.

I agree we need better group1 merits (sublimation included) and i'm not saying that sublimation merits are the best thing ever, but they aren't 'useless'.

I'm using 'useless' in a fairly harsh tone, I know, but compared to what Modus merits used to be, they are. And I've already stated numerous times that I hope SE addresses their idiocy in regards to that ability. MP isn't an issue for most people, even though I'm not going to be spending merits on anything else I'd rather not undo my Modus merits to merit something I'll gain no noticeable benefit from.

[Raksha]

I cannot feasibly see the point in doing anything with more than 5 other people at this point in the games life. And that's pushing it. Sure if you're healing an Alliance MP might be an issue, but still playing in 2005 would be more of an issue to me in that case.

Going to have to talk me through that. I'm not killing fast enough? MP becomes an issue the shorter the fight? ...What? I do hope that's a typo, because MP will only become an issue on long fights and as I've already asserted I lowman that's probably the case, yet MP still isn't an issue, odd.
If you mean NQ azure light farming and what not, I really don't care about that. Between restore chests and endless temps MP definitely shouldn't be an issue there, though.
If I was killing too slowly and buffing constantly then MP would probably be an issue. Really, I say I'm not running out of MP, if anything that means I'm killing faster than I should.

Considering this topic is about Scholar merits and our discussion is about Sublimation merits, I'll refrain from complaining about HP/MP merits, but yes, they are fairly useless (though a flat out +MP is far more useful than extra Sublimation MP for what it's worth); as are the majority of weapon and magic skill merits. The whole merit system is pretty much trash to be honest. If I feel like it I'll make an entire bitchpost at how awful merits are in general.

I'm using 'useless' in a fairly harsh tone, I know, but compared to what Modus merits used to be, they are. And I've already stated numerous times that I hope SE addresses their idiocy in regards to that ability. MP isn't an issue for most people, even though I'm not going to be spending merits on anything else I'd rather not undo my Modus merits to merit something I'll gain no noticeable benefit from.

Sounds pretty reasonable.

I dont play much anymore, but when I do it's LS events with 1+ full alliances, In those circumstances it's pretty easy to run out of mp.

Even doing stuff like magian staff trials I had to stop and /heal occasionally. That was WITH sublimation/convert/temps/ISL.

Going to have to talk me through that. I'm not killing fast enough? MP becomes an issue the shorter the fight? ...What? I do hope that's a typo, because MP will only become an issue on long fights and as I've already asserted I lowman that's probably the case, yet MP still isn't an issue, odd.
If you mean NQ azure light farming and what not, I really don't care about that. Between restore chests and endless temps MP definitely shouldn't be an issue there, though.
If I was killing too slowly and buffing constantly then MP would probably be an issue. Really, I say I'm not running out of MP, if anything that means I'm killing faster than I should.

Not saying you should kill your current enemy faster, but that you should kill more enemies in quick succession. Aero5 costs ~230MP in dark arts and has a recast of 37s max. It would take 23 tics of MM atma to refresh that MP back 23*3= 69s So if you're nuking whenever the timer is up you're gonna need more than just MM atma. Sublimation is safer than convert, so I use it more often.

Anyway, I dont want to spend all day arguing about mediocre merits, let's get this discussion back on track.

What if sublimation merits gave an extra +1 mp/tic instead?