Mud Spikes, Wind Spikes, and Aqua Spikes

[Rezeak]

Not being funny but i really can't see a use to Slow spikes or w/e

If ya want slow to land on a mob, cast slow?

Even blaze and ice spikes are never really used

I know a few pple that use shock spikes when soloing but thats it.

If you want to invent a new Spike type they would have to be worth using like i dunno Terror Spikes or a Spikes type that helps enmity loss.

[Swords]

Not being funny but i really can't see a use to Slow spikes or w/e

If ya want slow to land on a mob, cast slow?

Even blaze and ice spikes are never really used

I know a few pple that use shock spikes when soloing but thats it.

If you want to invent a new Spike type they would have to be worth using like i dunno Terror Spikes or a Spikes type that helps enmity loss.

Grand majority of people I've seen seem to prefer Ice spikes. Yes you can cast "Paralyze" like you can "Slow", however the potency of "Paralyze" from Ice Spikes is much greater than the spell. I think his general idea insinuated from "Mud Spikes" would be it's "Slow" would be more powerful than the standard "Slow" spell.

[Razushu]

*the following post is an opinion only so chill out*

I kinda agree with Noodles not that I'm saying you guys are wrong. But I always saw the blaze, ice and shock spikes and stoneskin, aquaveil and blink as two sides of the same coin and an elemental wheel of sorts. The fact WHM gets the purely Defensive buffs and BLM gets the offensive ones and RDM gets both as its the middle ground job to me supports this. To me the real reason you can only have 1 spike spell on and all three defensive buffs is the same reason you can only have one enspell one at a time i.e nowhere in the game to my knowledge can we inflict two types of elemental damage at a time not that they aren't a related set of spells

[Rambus]

*the following post is an opinion only so chill out*

I kinda agree with Noodles not that I'm saying you guys are wrong. But I always saw the blaze, ice and shock spikes and stoneskin, aquaveil and blink as two sides of the same coin and an elemental wheel of sorts. The fact WHM gets the purely Defensive buffs and BLM gets the offensive ones and RDM gets both as its the middle ground job to me supports this. To me the real reason you can only have 1 spike spell on and all three defensive buffs is the same reason you can only have one enspell one at a time i.e nowhere in the game to my knowledge can we inflict two types of elemental damage at a time not that they aren't a related set of spells

why does drk get drain spikes and blm does not?

why does PLD get light spikes and whm does not?

why does SCH get 3 spike spells?

so like I said in my other posts explaining elements I really do not understand how people have this view.

skillchains is muli damgic damage, then you have abyssea elements that are multi element.

you can have burn/ choke/ shock on you for exmaple and not the other 3 so why are you able to buff your self with stone (stoneskin), water(aquavail), light(phalanx, shell, protect....), fire (attack support), wind(haste/evade up...), and dark (drain spikes) all at once?

[Razushu]

why does drk get drain spikes and blm does not?

why does PLD get light spikes and whm does not?

why does SCH get 3 spike spells?


so like I said in my other posts explaining elements I really do not understand how people have this view.

skillchains is muli damgic damage, then you have abyssea elements that are multi element.

you can have burn/ choke/ shock on you for exmaple and not the other 3 so why are you able to buff your self with stone (stoneskin), water(aquavail), light(phalanx, shell, protect....), fire (attack support), wind(haste/evade up...), and dark (drain spikes) all at once?

reprisal and dread spikes came after the what I and clearly others share this opinion could refer to as the elemental wheel of buffs and as such were probably just buff to the respective jobs and not part 2 of the elemental spikes spell addition Whm doesn't get reprisal because it was implemented for PLD same with drk and blm and SCH gets the 3 spikes as well as the 3 defensive buffs meaning both "middle mages" get both sides of the coin so to speak adding to my view that these six could be a family set and reprisal, dread spikes, phalanx and any other random spell you want to mention are just spells and not linked. plus light and dark are never really linked to the other six elements they're kind of a seperate system as they're realted to but not fully linked to the other six.

Anyway your inital premise of theres why are there not spikes for every element? could be asked as why are there not elementally inspired buffs (Stoneskin, BLink, Aquaveil) for all elements the simplest answer is they complete a family of spells with the spikes

[Zyeriis]

Still fail to see how that is a decent enough reason (based upon opinion) to deny the idea of adding 3 new "true" spike spells for the elements that lack them. Same for the "opposite side of the coin" by adding fire/lightning/ice spells to coincide with ss/blink/aquaveil. You can deny dread spikes and reprisal all you want for whatever reason you fancy ("they don't count! they were added later!" > yes...they added extra spike spells at a later time...wait...thats the idea) but it is still an empty reason.

The most legitimate reasons I've seen so far are "over-powered possibly" or "useless possibly" which are true about anything plausibly addable to the game.

[Rambus]

reprisal and dread spikes came after the what I and clearly others share this opinion could refer to as the elemental wheel of buffs and as such were probably just buff to the respective jobs and not part 2 of the elemental spikes spell addition Whm doesn't get reprisal because it was implemented for PLD same with drk and blm and SCH gets the 3 spikes as well as the 3 defensive buffs meaning both "middle mages" get both sides of the coin so to speak adding to my view that these six could be a family set and reprisal, dread spikes, phalanx and any other random spell you want to mention are just spells and not linked. plus light and dark are never really linked to the other six elements they're kind of a seperate system as they're realted to but not fully linked to the other six.

Anyway your inital premise of theres why are there not spikes for every element? could be asked as why are there not elementally inspired buffs (Stoneskin, BLink, Aquaveil) for all elements the simplest answer is they complete a family of spells with the spikes

They are not in the family of spikes because they do not override eachother.
Thery are not in the same family because they do not do the same fuction.

you can have blink, stoneskin, and aquavail on with one of the spike spells.

explain how blink stoneskin and aquavail is part of this "buff family" when you can have all 3 at once.

you only get 1 en effect, one covers each element.

how come in the past they only have fire thunder and ice spikes, later came out with light spikes then later with drain spikes?

it means they are missing elements in the past and still missing them.

they have buffs allined to other elements, it is called shell, protect, phalanx, bard songs, bar spells, so on.

Still fail to see how that is a decent enough reason (based upon opinion) to deny the idea of adding 3 new "true" spike spells for the elements that lack them.

it doesn't that is why i said it was irrelevant.

[Razushu]

Still fail to see how that is a decent enough reason (based upon opinion) to deny the idea of adding 3 new "true" spike spells for the elements that lack them. Same for the "opposite side of the coin" by adding fire/lightning/ice spells to coincide with ss/blink/aquaveil. You can deny dread spikes and reprisal all you want for whatever reason you fancy ("they don't count! they were added later!" > yes...they added extra spike spells at a later time...wait...thats the idea) but it is still an empty reason.


The most legitimate reasons I've seen so far are "over-powered possibly" or "useless possibly" which are true about anything plausibly addable to the game.

Well this sucks having to reply twice GD PC but here I go.

To sum up my theory

elemental wheel buffs (an already complete set)

blaze/ice/shock spikes - offensive
Aquaveil/SS/blink - defensive

evidence for this

BLM offensive mage - offensive buffs
WHM defensive support mage - defensive buffs
RDM mixed mage - both buffs

both sides come together as a set i.e you get one from a side you get the other two.
which pokes a hole in the link between these spells and dread spikes/reprisal as no job that gets the other spikes get these, although it is possible that they added these two to turn 6 into 8 elemental buff spells although Phalanx is probably a better fit lol.
Also theres the fact the 6 celestial elements function somewhat independantly of dark/light so it's probable that a complete set of elemental buffs be they spikes or not would be 6 spells not 8 anyway (see ninjutsu elemental wheel and barspells).

[Zyeriis]

Well this sucks having to reply twice GD PC but here I go.

To sum up my theory

elemental wheel buffs (an already complete set)

blaze/ice/shock spikes - offensive
Aquaveil/SS/blink - defensive

evidence for this

BLM offensive mage - offensive buffs
WHM defensive support mage - defensive buffs
RDM mixed mage - both buffs

both sides come together as a set i.e you get one from a side you get the other two.
which pokes a hole in the link between these spells and dread spikes/reprisal as no job that gets the other spikes get these, although it is possible that they added these two to turn 6 into 8 elemental buff spells although Phalanx is probably a better fit lol.
Also theres the fact the 6 celestial elements function somewhat independantly of dark/light so it's probable that a complete set of elemental buffs be they spikes or not would be 6 spells not 8 anyway (see ninjutsu elemental wheel and barspells).

I never said that I also did not view the current spells as complementing each other. I proposed an idea to increase the ranges of them, wherein that theory is eliminated. SE themselves lowered that theory's likeliness when they added Scholar. Stoneskin, Blink, and Aquaveil all work with Accession while spike spells do not. You can also have stoneskin, blink, and aquaveil up at the same time while you may only have 1 spike spell-type (this includes reprisal and dread spikes) up at any given time. The spike spells also deal damage but offer no self-relevant buffs, they only damage the enemy in one way or another. Yes, that is the argument of yours that Stoneskin and the like are the defensive versions but, again, this is not even close to being remotely reason enough to deny the idea of expanding each side of this "coin theory".

[Razushu]

They are not in the family of spikes because they do not override eachother.
Thery are not in the same family because they do not do the same fuction.

you can have blink, stoneskin, and aquavail on with one of the spike spells.

explain how blink stoneskin and aquavail is part of this "buff family" when you can have all 3 at once.

you only get 1 en effect, one covers each element.

how come in the past they only have fire thunder and ice spikes, later came out with light spikes then later with drain spikes?

it means they are missing elements in the past and still missing them.

they have buffs allined to other elements, it is called shell, protect, phalanx, bard songs, bar spells, so on.

same reason you can only have 1 enspell or elemental bar spell on SE decided they only wanted us to have one on at a time.

what about endark and enlight?
wheres dark:ichi and light:ichi?
Can't quite see your point here elemental spell sets come in 6 or 8. enspells 8 ninjutsu 6
Changes absolutely nothing about my point

blaze/ice/shock spikes + aquaveil/SS/blink = 6
or
blaze/ice/shock spikes + aquaveil/SS/blink +dreadspikes/reprisal(or Phalanx) = 8

either way they could be and have been by others here as a complete set