[DEV1000] Walk of Echoes: What happened?

[blowfin]

Also, 50 glavoid shells? 50 kukulkan skins? 50 bukhis wings? No thanks i'll use the crappy WoE versions. Thats a lot more headache than i care to bother with.

Gearing a whole bunch of people in +2 gear is a headache? News to me.

[Zirael]

My LS does WoE for the money drops (and to get ppl coins), so i just lot the freebies. Also, 50 glavoid shells? 50 kukulkan skins? 50 bukhis wings? No thanks i'll use the crappy WoE versions. Thats a lot more headache than i care to bother with.

You forgot two-leaf Chloris bud's...

I might agree that Galvoid can give trouble to people who come unprepared (no WHM, no refresh atmas, no good DD atmas, TP feed, no stunner), but what kind of difficulty do Kukulkan, Bukhis or Chloris pose? Farming key items? Bringing holy waters? Using atma of apocalypse/razed ruins? Not having spare 20-50 Traverser stones to complete lv85 weapon? Camping against others during weekend?
After getting empy weapons with 3 friends I have 7 AF3+2 heads just from doing that, 6 another AF3+1 heads as well, and so do they; hell, even few people who tagged along for boss kills got some +2 for their jobs. There will be a bunch of +2 bodies too when we decide to go after lv90. There's more to getting empyrean weapon than just weapon itself. To be honest, weapon aftermath itself doesn't pay for the effort, but AF3+2/gil that comes with it does. If you don't plan getting any AF3+2 ever, then WoE is clear winner, of course, but if you do, why not spend few days extra before that in Visions of Abyssea and get someone from your LS the real weapon as well?
I don't think WoE was designed to be a solo content, neither was abyssea, but it can be soloed in some cases inefficiently. If you don't like cooperating with people (got any friends or comrades in game?) to get your and their stuff done, you miss a point of MMORPG. If anything of this was made easier for a group of 4-6 people supporting each other, we might as well start playing it offline.

[Raksha]

Gearing a whole bunch of people in +2 gear is a headache? News to me.

It is actually, but that may be because I play a healer.

I might agree that Galvoid can give trouble to people who come unprepared (no WHM, no refresh atmas, no good DD atmas, TP feed, no stunner), but what kind of difficulty do Kukulkan, Bukhis or Chloris pose? Farming key items? Bringing holy waters? Using atma of apocalypse/razed ruins? Not having spare 20-50 Traverser stones to complete lv85 weapon? Camping against others during weekend?
After getting empy weapons with 3 friends I have 7 AF3+2 heads just from doing that, 6 another AF3+1 heads as well, and so do they; hell, even few people who tagged along for boss kills got some +2 for their jobs. There will be a bunch of +2 bodies too when we decide to go after lv90. There's more to getting empyrean weapon than just weapon itself. To be honest, weapon aftermath itself doesn't pay for the effort, but AF3+2/gil that comes with it does. If you don't plan getting any AF3+2 ever, then WoE is clear winner, of course, but if you do, why not spend few days extra before that in Visions of Abyssea and get someone from your LS the real weapon as well?
I don't think WoE was designed to be a solo content, neither was abyssea, but it can be soloed in some cases inefficiently. If you don't like cooperating with people (got any friends or comrades in game?) to get your and their stuff done, you miss a point of MMORPG. If anything of this was made easier for a group of 4-6 people supporting each other, we might as well start playing it offline.

kukulkan does that ST20 move which is annoying, and bukhis does conal doom + wipes cruor buffs. Sounds like a headache to me. And dont even get me started on Azdaja/apademak. No way in hell would i subject myself to any of that. Knock yourselves out.

[Areola]

I only mention Chloris because of the KI farming. I mean killing two nm's to pop one nm is kinda silly, not to mention the other 3 KI's.

[blowfin]

It is actually, but that may be because I play a healer.

Honestly the random drop rates and the general abortion that is WoE sound a lot worse than that.

kukulkan does that ST20 move which is annoying, and bukhis does conal doom + wipes cruor buffs. Sounds like a headache to me. And dont even get me started on Azdaja/apademak. No way in hell would i subject myself to any of that. Knock yourselves out.

None of that is terribly hard if you go in with good players and a decent setup.

[Raksha]

Honestly the random drop rates and the general abortion that is WoE sound a lot worse than that.

Like I said we do WoE as an LS so i just pick up spare coins when no one needs them

None of that is terribly hard if you go in with good players and a decent setup.

Was wondering how long it'd take before someone told me to suck less.

I never said it was hard. It's just annoying. If it was hard it'd at least be fun.

[BorkBorkBork]

If I remember their road map correctly I think they are going to get to revamping WoE later this summer. I have a small group that I take in and as long as we dont have a leech everyone gets a chest. The most annoying thing is the mentality of leeches of team up with me or I'll just leech a chest instead of going to flux 3 and soloing antlions.

As for it being easier or hard depends on your group. If you have a more dedicated group that will show up consistently go for the emphs if not WoE isnt hard to get your coins out of but it can be annoying.

[blowfin]

Was wondering how long it'd take before someone told me to suck less.

I never said it was hard. It's just annoying. If it was hard it'd at least be fun.

I wasnt saying that at all. Im sorry you feel like people are picking on you. I do have to wonder how youre able to make a judgement on content you dont seem to have played though. Ive done some WoE, and from experience building an empy is far more rewarding and healthy for your shell, and not as difficult as it could be for all the benefits that can come from it. If you only have an hour or so to play, then sure, WoE is probably a better option.

The challenge with some of the NMs is keeping it clean. Sure you can just throw bodies at stuff and youll probably win with Apoc and a couple of empys. Its boring though and often takes longer. There is strategy required for a lot of it if you dont want to embarrass yourself or waste peoples time. Annoying for the sake of it? You could say that for a lot of things in game, like WoE for example.

[Raksha]

I wasnt saying that at all. Im sorry you feel like people are picking on you. I do have to wonder how youre able to make a judgement on content you dont seem to have played though. Ive done some WoE, and from experience building an empy is far more rewarding and healthy for your shell, and not as difficult as it could be for all the benefits that can come from it. If you only have an hour or so to play, then sure, WoE is probably a better option.

I've done many, many Kukulkan, glavoid, azdaja, apademak, pantokrator etc. None of these fights are difficult, they are just annoying. I do not choose to spend my free time (read: non-LS time) killing these things over and over. If I was just gonna brew through a bunch of pops with no regards to grellow, it'd be one thing, but ppl seem to want +2 items.

The challenge with some of the NMs is keeping it clean. Sure you can just throw bodies at stuff and youll probably win with Apoc and a couple of empys. Its boring though and often takes longer. There is strategy required for a lot of it if you dont want to embarrass yourself or waste peoples time. Annoying for the sake of it? You could say that for a lot of things in game, like WoE for example.

I am not a noob. My end game LS is pretty much the only one that has survived the lvl cap on my server. we do plenty of abyssea, about 3 nights per week as a shell, and plenty more in the off-times. I know all the tips and tricks and STILL dont want to bother with ODD. Dont get me wrong, i can't even be arsed to do the preliminary NM/VNM trials for the WoE coins i actually already have. I realize i'm probably not the typical player in this regard, I only popped in to explain why someone would want WoE versions instead of full emp.

Also WoE is super annoying too, and if it weren't for LS events i wouldn't come within 50 yalms of the damn thing.

EDIT: also just thought i'd add that many members of my LS have full emps, and are also working on WoE version for jobs that aren't their 'mains'.

[xSylarx]

Ok lets lock WoE and destroy it because the Japanese lock you out. Have u tried to kill the bosses in conflux 1 and 3 it take at least 18 to kill effectively. You wanna make WoE better make the other bosses easier or make conflux 2 harder to force people to work together