So are they banning people on the brew holds?

[Karbuncle]

Threats and Violence will never solve anything. Arguing with people over the internet and threatening them just makes you look like a maniac. You lose any credibility, thus shooting yourself in the foot.

You don't have to accept something just because you feel you do. You could easily change your ways to not resort to being threatening. "Rampant Cheating" isn't a norm in this game. I have never brew-held, Even though i recognize is a game mechanic, I don't do it cause i've never had a reason too.

SE doesn't accept Cheating, Salvage bans, the Special Task Force, Absolute Virtue bans, Stuff like that proves they will ban cheaters when they have proof and find it.

[Starcade]

Threats and Violence will never solve anything. Arguing with people over the internet and threatening them just makes you look like a maniac. You lose any credibility, thus shooting yourself in the foot.

You don't have to accept something just because you feel you do. You could easily change your ways to not resort to being threatening. "Rampant Cheating" isn't a norm in this game. I have never brew-held, Even though i recognize is a game mechanic, I don't do it cause i've never had a reason too.

SE doesn't accept Cheating, Salvage bans, the Special Task Force, Absolute Virtue bans, Stuff like that proves they will ban cheaters when they have proof and find it.

Square-Enix absolutely accepts cheating in numerous forms. Windower, numerous exploits they refuse to anything about, not arresting RMT and putting them in prison, not doing the same to bot-creators, etc. and so forth.

Square-Enix accepts cheating, it appears, because it has to to keep FFXI alive. And that is repulsive to me.

I have no credibility in the FFXI community, because I want no part of it.

[Kazen]

How do they go about arresting RMT and putting them in prison? The ToS is not a contract affected by any sort of law. Breaking the ToS is not illegal. I'm not even going to go into the issue of international law because that just goes even another step beyond to show they can't do much.

SE accepts "cheating" like windower because they can't detect it as it is client side data and the game isn't coded in a way where they have access to that sort of data.

[Karbuncle]

Well thats a lie and we both know it. if you didn't want any part of this you wouldn't be here trying to change it, complaining about it, Or making threats over it.

That being said, there are other ways to go about it, and SE does not openly accept these cheats. people have been banned for Windower, very few admittedly cause you basically have to say "I use Windower" for them to ban you.

They don't accept Cheating, They can simply do nothing about it without proof. Furthermore, They have pressed charges against someone over FFXI, I don't recall his name but it was in the news.

And you can't Arrest RMT unfortunately the law doesn't work that way. They can't/won't issue international warrants for RMT, thats absurd.

You have no reason to be so upset simply because people don't play how you want them too. If you feel everyone is cheating, Play a Single Player game. You have no reason to have mental break-downs every time someone pops a Moogle Specs.

[Starcade]

How do they go about arresting RMT and putting them in prison? The ToS is not a contract affected by any sort of law. Breaking the ToS is not illegal. I'm not even going to go into the issue of international law because that just goes even another step beyond to show they can't do much.

I've got a blog-ful of posts which show you are wrong. In fact, if what you said was not right, there would be no clause in the contract (and it IS a contract which we agree to with Square-Enix!) that all disputes are settled with California law with American players, for one example.

The acquisition of gear through illegal means could be considered criminal theft in the state of California.

I guess I should not be surprised. The arrogance of people like you knows no end. If there were no contract, and no legal basis to remove RMT and jail them, then there is no illegality of RMT at all, and the central basis that Square-Enix owns the game and everything in it is null and void.

[Starcade]

Well thats a lie and we both know it. if you didn't want any part of this you wouldn't be here trying to change it, complaining about it, Or making threats over it.

I said the "community", not the forum. I would rather disrupt the community and it's acceptance on cheaters.

I do not play this game to make friends.

I do not play this game to be a part of a "community" based on fraud.

It's that simple.

That being said, there are other ways to go about it, and SE does not openly accept these cheats. people have been banned for Windower, very few admittedly cause you basically have to say "I use Windower" for them to ban you.

And even that could be considered fraudulent because of the number of people known by any such survey of the situation be using Windower and other illegal third-party baloney.

All they have to do is go into blogs and other pictoral galleries of FFXI play and they can find Windower users and ban them.

They don't accept Cheating, They can simply do nothing about it without proof. Furthermore, They have pressed charges against someone over FFXI, I don't recall his name but it was in the news.

After he made, what, $200,000 or so off his bots??? (I think we're talking about the same guy...)

Square-Enix accepts cheating as a part of the survival of the game. Otherwise, ban Windower and ALL who use it.

And you can't Arrest RMT unfortunately the law doesn't work that way. They can't/won't issue international warrants for RMT, thats absurd.

Then Square-Enix' ownership of the game, as expressly stated in every Terms of Service/other such document they have, is null and void. Ownership, in this realm, means you have the control (absolute control) of dissemination. If I can go sell accounts, gil, etc. for real money without being held to the legal theft it is, Square-Enix no longer has that right.

And it is that ownership which is the basis for all other rules and procedures in the game.

[Karbuncle]

Okay, Seriously you have problems. You are an arrogant self-righteous Psychopath who has no right to exist in this Society.

I Hope you get locked up and thrown in jail, You are a threat to everyone around you, and your temper and anger issues will eventually lead to criminal acts.

Its obvious you have simply no grasp on the difference between reality and video game. You have problems. Immediately seek help please.

There is no reason for anyone to take such a serious stance over a Video Game. It's not Real. They don't need to issue International Criminal Warrants over a Video game.

[Kazen]

lol if you think California law poses any threat to people who are not in the United States(or even in the United States for that matter) over breaking something as simple as a video game ToS.

[Tamarsamar]

lol if you think California law poses any threat to people who are not in the United States(or even in the United States for that matter) over breaking something as simple as a video game ToS.

Or, more accurately, not even breaking it, but playing it a certain way which he doesn't like.

I bet he's the kind of person who thinks that bluffing in poker is also "cheating."

[Jhanaka]

Hello Everybody!

We appreciate all the concern shown regarding this issue and others brought up in this discussion.

We are going to go ahead a lock this thread, now, as the question by the OP has been answered. As always, if you feel there is an ongoing problem in our game or if you wish to report third party program use, you can via the /helpdesk in game. One of my GMs will be happy to help out or point you in the right direction.

Thank you, as always.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka