[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Mirage]

You're talking as if modifying the graphics engine is in any way comparable in difficulty to coding a tiny serverside NPC script.

I'm saying there shouldn't be two of the same NMs up at the same time, so I have no idea why you even keep bringing that up. In fact, I'm giving suggestions on how to *make sure* there won't be two NMs up at the same time even if you have two coexisting systems.

For the record, I think it entirely, completely, totally unproblematic to have two of the same NMs up at the same time. In fact, I think a senior GM, or developer, with the right access priviledges, would be able to instantly spawn an amount of fafnirs only limited by the server's hardware resources. If he didn't care about losing his job afterwards, of course.

I don't think the server software fundamentally differentiates between a normal mob and an NM, except that the server won't tell the client how strong it actually is (impossible to gauge). If the game server supports 10 "Greater Manticore" at the same time, it supports 10 Vrtra at the same time. And 10 cerberus, and 10 behemoth kings. I think the reason they don't have multiple copies of the same NM at the same time is mostly because it would be stupid to look at, and would conflict with the world's lore.

It's the same reason why all the Auction House NPCs in Port Jeuno don't look the same and have the same names. Making them all look the same would probably acually be faster and easier for the devs, but they don't do it exactly because it would look retarded.

[Dazusu]

Funny how you separate HNM fans from noobs; most HNM players were SHOCKING! I don't know if it happened on your server, but HNMLSs as a whole proved very incapable at Abyssea and generally just threw excessive bodies at things forever, which is all the "skill" HNM ever taught.

You were on a sucky server then.

[Dazusu]

Is it really hard to understand that people don't want to be outclaimed by bots and other illegal mechanisms and watch mobs pop purple for hours on end, with NO chance at popping a Nidhogg, King Behemoth or Aspidochelone?

I understand that side of the argument completely. However, there are better ways to deal with the issue than make KS99 the path to pop an old NM which popped freely for the past 8 years. Preferably one with much less work involved.
(You understand, I say this because the NM popped freely; if the treasure from the NMs had been upgraded, then I would understand all the leg work - but in this instance, it hasn't been upgraded. It's more work for the same results.)

Good players / noobs aren't differentiated between by the third-party tools they use. More by how much they suck when doing things. Or how much they cry in shout in Jeuno because people are using Windower.

[MarkovChain]

Well, Considering theres only 111 reports, It seems like people don't always report it. As I'm sure in the last 7 years more than 111 people across all servers have done the KSNM.

I can personally attest I don't update Wiki Drop rate info unless its really bad or really good.

Though i adamantly admit 1 Testimony isn't enough.

But neither is "Drop rate sucks I've only seen maybe 2/3 in like 20 30 runs" that GG was arguing against. The point he made was that both claims were ridiculous and uncredible.

Wiki data is better than all data you will be able to provide, as I said above it's true +/- 8%. Wiki shows about 20-25% so it's no more than 30% ish. Noone but you and Greatguardian are eyeballing droprate based on personnal experiece. 100 kills is significant data to exclure high droprates.

[Greatguardian]

Wiki data is better than all data you will be able to provide, as I said above it's true +/- 8%. Wiki shows about 20-25% so it's no more than 30% ish. Noone but you and Greatguardian are eyeballing droprate based on personnal experiece. 100 kills is significant data to exclure high droprates.

No. Not just us. Rambus was the one who came in whining about his "3% drop rate" on Turtle KS99. The entire point of our bringing up the drop rates was to call attention to the fact that one person having a shitty eyeballed drop rate is completely meaningless (herp derp we agree, that's what I've been saying the whole time). You would do well to read and comprehend the context behind statements before you go off running your mouth. This is not the first time you've either brought up completely irrelevant bullcrap (herp derp pDif on Wiki) or tried to prove my point for me because you don't understand a word I'm saying in context.

[MarkovChain]

Except that you were quoting my statement about wiki droprates being correct stop trying to change subject ? If this was even true you sould have noticed that wiki doesn't show 3% droprate, no ?

[Greatguardian]

Except that you were quoting my statement about wiki droprates being correct stop trying to change subject ? If this was even true you sould have noticed that wiki doesn't show 3% droprate, no ?

Now you're just being dense for the sake of being dense. Wiki drop rates suffer from a large amount of sampling bias. If you and I can't agree on that, that's fine and we'll just have to disagree. What you don't realize was the entire point of the discussion on drop rates that you butted into halfway through was to demonstrate that any one person's anecdotal data, be it mine or Rambus's, is full of crap and doesn't mean a darn thing. As far as I can tell, we've agreed on this point from the get-go.

[Morgantisthedon]

I just wanted to add my 2 cents in.... This is a horrible idea fyi .... why lower the drop rate?>?!! If anything just make it 100% to lower it meens more and more ppl now have way less a chance and got do Kindred seal shouts for a chance to get it. The other part of it is fine Idc what you got do. If you left it alone like it was and just changed it to 100% people whould camp it get there item and move on. To mess with something for people who do not have it . You situationaly made it harder to get there's (I for one have mine so i dont mind) but talk on chat and in my linkshell everyone thinks this is a busted idea..... To fix it quit lowering drops on r/ex stuff! Nothing like spamming a nm over and over AND GETTING NOTHING. So I have no clue as to why you would lower the drop rate on the BB item and not make it 100% not like there is more to do in game than spam old fights or get players now to save seals to spam a ksnm for something lower rate. As is we did behmouth ksnm and got 4-20 runs....way to go SE. Lets lower that more. But then again you get paid monthly and keeps us hooked right? Needless to say I offer this as a solution

Make the BB items 100% .... not like other belts are not out there bullwhip goading etc. Then if you change that I will agree with your idea. But if not I say dont even mess with it and lower the rate .... In my eyes thats fail and am sorta upset you would make this idea.

[Flunklesnarkin]

This doesn't really make obtaining a black belt harder.. it just changes the hours of standing around you'd have to do

into farming kindred seals.. or farming gil to buy triggers

and so what if they lower the drop rate from 100% ... even if its like 50% thats not too bad imo

fight a HQ king 2 or 3 times in a single day and get your items...

I know that sounds harder than waiting up to 2 weeks for a HQ king to spawn and only having a chance to claim it... but i assure you.. it is in fact not harder

[Karbuncle]

Wiki data is better than all data you will be able to provide, as I said above it's true +/- 8%. Wiki shows about 20-25% so it's no more than 30% ish. Noone but you and Greatguardian are eyeballing droprate based on personnal experiece. 100 kills is significant data to exclure high droprates.

I've never eyeballed anything based on personal Experience in this thread :| I pulled those numbers from Rambus, GG, and Wiki. None of them are mine.

Rambus is the one who went on about "ADA EGG DROP RATE SUKCS IT 2-3 / 20-30 RUNS, I NO SEE IT, IT HAS BAD DORP RATE, BEHEMOTH TONGUE WYRM BURD HAS HIGH DRP RATE"

And GG went on something along the lines of "Blah blah You're eyeballing blah blah, If you're going to eyeball i could say "I did 3 runs, and got 2 Eggs, so drop rate is 75% blah blah"

and then you came.

Wiki drop rates are inaccurate and unreliable unless they're above ~1,000, for the most part as for the reason GG Said. You may go to wiki every day and give right information and updates, But some people will just go there, update 1 thing, and 0/1 everything else, or for the sake of being upset, go to Wiki, having only done a BCNM twice, add 0/5 or 0/10 on the drop rate out of malice.

Its just unreasonable to base any assumptions from it is where GG was going. You made it more reasonable by concluding a -8/+8% drop rate for 100 testimonies, but we can't confirm if all these testimonies are truthful.

However, If they are 100% Legit, You are right that -8/+8 isn't too bad. Truthfully Looking at drop rate for all 3, I'd say the KSNM99's probably have ~20% Drop rate.