[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[blowfin]

read the update notes , makes bb items harder to get

Hwat? No it didn't, you're being extremely creative. We won't know if it's harder to get until after the update. /thread

[Flunklesnarkin]

Nobody takes you seriously rambus...

after every dev update topic you run around like chicken little

"THE SKY IS FALLING >:U!!"

[Karbuncle]

read the update notes , makes bb items harder to get

Lol, okay

They lowered Drop rate on HQ (We don't know how much, For all we know it could be from 100%, to 90%) This Lowers it a little. its an Unknown

They Removed it from NQ Kings - I've already suggested this was a bad move, needs to be fixed/Adjusted ASAP, It was Backpedaling the entire ordeal. However, Now being forced to do KSNM99 (Which Drop BB Items, a Step anyone camping would never have taken), You have really lost nothing. Instead of your chance of BB form NQ, your chance of BB is from KSNM99. - This makes it a little more difficult. Slightly.

But heres the kicker, Instead of 1 Shot per day, You have the potential for Dozens of chances per day. If you have the Seals/Friends You can pop Fafnir 8 Times back to back, then pop Nidhogg ~8 Times back to back, Increases your chances to get a BB items exponentially.

Really, Until we know how drastic the Nerf to HQ Kings drop rate was, You can pretty much Think "KSNM99 = Old Faf, Chance of BB item" > "Fafnir - Middle-Ground mob. Drops stuff" > "Nidhogg - Highest chance of BB item"

They basically added a step in the process, but multiplied your ability to pop/fight the mobs exponentially.

You really in the end lose absolutely nothing unless you're sitting on like 20 Kindred Seals, In which case Yeah you're behind, But the other thousands of players in the game who are sitting on 500+ Kindred seals all now have MULTIPLE opportunities to pop/Fight these NMs.

So to poke the hole in your logic, yes, some people are still left out (Oh shit, I've mentioned this 1000 times before), however, There are far far far far far less people left out in this System then the old system.

Read what i wrote above, then read this. In the old System 1-Group. 1-NM. 1 Chance. per day.

new System. Multiple People, Multiple NMs, Multiple Chances. Per day.

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp. If you look at it from the point of view of "1 Person doing 1 Run" yeah, Your chances are slimmer, but if you look at it as "Multiple People all doing multiple pops" The chances are greater, The influx of BB items will multiply, Rather it be selling them, Or people with a lot of Kindred Seals collecting multiple pop-items and popping them back-to-back.

It benefits more people, and it gives more chances to obtain said item.

[Rambus]

Hwat? No it didn't, you're being extremely creative. We won't know if it's harder to get until after the update. /thread

the current update notes makes it harder to get the egg esp, people be spaming KB for D ring im sure.

think about hwat the update notes say, so we are here to comment and tell SE wait think about this a second insted of OMG FORCE POP = GOOD.

as far as ffxiv goes, they ingored people and floped, wow who did not see that comming?

[MarkovChain]

i swear at one point i read the idea of someone suggesting force-pop Kings, and it being met with open praise. Now that we got it, its the same crying. It goes to show no matter what SE Does, people will always complain.

Because you only see what you want to see. People wanted pop-Kings for their black belt nothing else. The next system will be about the same as the previous KS99 system with a slighty increase in chance to get it. It's right to cock block that much through KS99 for items like defending ring, but not for the item 1/6th of the population wants. I find all the reactions like "you wanted pop kind now you got it" dumb because if you look at it's a +1 version of the fail KS99 system. Before the next VU : 1500KS to get a black belt, post VU .. 1K ? And your friends want a black belt too. And your friends could have lend you 4M for a BB too., and guess what they could ALSO have lend you 99KS for the current system ?

[Flunklesnarkin]

the current update notes makes it harder to get the egg esp, people be spaming KB for D ring im sure.

think about hwat the update notes say, so we are here to comment and tell SE wait think about this a second insted of OMG FORCE POP = GOOD.

as far as ffxiv goes, they ingored people and floped, wow who did not see that comming?

conceited much?

you are hardly representative of the ffxi community

[Miera]

When you look at it, you have two shots to get the BB items, from the KSNM and from the pop also, people get a better chance at the DEFENDING RING and not to mention the Riddle.

[Rambus]

conceited much?

you are hardly representative of the ffxi community

you are right, I know how to think and analyze.

[Rambus]

When you look at it, you have two shots to get the BB items, from the KSNM and from the pop also, people get a better chance at the DEFENDING RING and not to mention the Riddle.

you get 2 chances with it now, go camp it then go pop the ksnm 99, cept you have greater chance if you get claim ( higher drop rate from NQ/HQ) and you do not know the drop rate of HQ pop under the new system, that is never stated.

[Karbuncle]

you are right, I know how to think and analyze.

No You don't. Please do not lie to people on these forums. You know how to be Negative and Analyze everything in an incredibly short-sighted way. You think only about how bad something is in regards to how it'll benefit you. Not how it will benefit as a whole.

The fact I've been trying to explain to you that old system = 1 pop per day, for only 1 person/group on the entire server.

While new system = Multiple People can pop the NM multiple times per day. Its looking at the "Big Picture".


you can't seem to grasp that is proof enough you can't analyze anything. I at least admit flaws in the system, You seem to act like its 3 steps back into the pits of hell. Its not a perfect leap into the right area, but its a Small step in the right direction. It needs Tweaking, It needs improvements, But right now its a better system than the old one, even if its not by much, its a Lesser of Two Evils that will, in the big picture, Increase the flow of Items from these NMs.