[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[MarkovChain]

Which is still an improvement over the old system where if you didn't get the drop from the KS99 NM, you lost all your seals.

New system gives people who don't care for BB incentive to use KS for other crappy drops which benefits MNK indirectly.

Again, if you don't like the changes get +2MNK gear, Twilight Belt and ignore Black Belt.

At least in the old system you could buy it by offering enough gil, assuming people actually camped this shit which I doubt.

[viion]

Now we can ask them. "Have you got your Black Belt yet?"

Seriously though I think this change is just fine. Maintains Black Belt as a difficult to obtain item while removing many of the bad parts of camping the kings. Gives people a reason to burn through those KSNM's too. I don't think the drop rate is going to be as bad as people might be thinking, particularly with pop items being 100% drop from both the KSNM and the NQ. We also have to consider that demand for kings might actually be quite high if the upcoming synergy system for older armor offers decent upgrades.

I did call the whining about the changes a while ago though.... pretty spot on if I do say so myself.

What ? lol

Only the KSNM Pop item is 100%, the NQ one isnt.

So the path is:
Run around fighting mobs to get 99 KS's
Fight KSNM (Requiring friends i guess?) for 100% drop on pop
Fight NQ for a RANDOM drop of HQ
Fight HQ (Requiring friends also) for a RANDOM+DECREASED drop of the Black-belt item.

So you cant really do this solo like you could before. And the drop rate is decreased

[Greatguardian]

sigworthy

Well don't leave me in suspense.

Stop with your retarded pixie earring, bro, it was never good. And PLEASE, don't put put N legs on the level as D ring. Level increase is VERY likely to bring better legs items, it is very unlikely to bring anything better than black belt or defending ring.

Wat? No shit it was never good. That's why I'm not bothering with KB. The changes of getting a Dring instead of that absolutely worthless Earring are slim to none. I'm not going to waste my time with it. As for Nlegs, they're the current best in slot for Chant du Cygne on Paladin last I checked. If there's something better, I'd love to hear about it (saves me time and seals). Frankly, I don't have anything better to spend my seals on regardless.

[MarkovChain]

You completely missed a huge factor in your 'calculations.'

Most people have these things called 'friends,' and their 'friends' will also want to do KS99s, NQ Kings, and HQ Kings for drops other than the BB items. Some MNKs have 'friends' who will use 100s of KS to help them get the BB item, on say, the Turtle path. There exist plenty of people in FFXI who aren't total dickwads, and these people will either sell or give away unwanted BB items at the Kings camps.

All these factors combined drastically improves the chances for MNKs to get needed BB items.

Why would friends of friends want to do KS99 (except for D ring, again). The drops are garbage if you are not a mnk without black belt. iIf anything friends of friends would would want black belt for themselves. If those bcnm or hnm dropped anything valuable like gil item or any good rare/ex, I would believe you. If they wanted to fix the old content this way they are running into a wall because abyssea gives ABSOLUTELY no reason to do thoses NM or KSNMs.

[CrystalWeapon]

Willing to bet if they dropped the KSNMs down to a new teir KSNM 10, made all the drops 100%, and gave you icecream after finishing off the HQ HNM people would still complain.

From what I've read there was no word on the KSNM having their BB items removed. So you have a chance of obtaining it there. There's a 100% chance of getting (at least one) of the pop items for the NQ. The NQ mobs have a chance of dropping a HQ nm pop, but no longer have their BB items. Look at it this way, before when you did the KSNM to try to get your BB item, you had no second chance. With it set up like this, you still have a chance to get it from the KSNM + you get a second chance at your BB item if you're lucky enough to get a HQ spawn drop from the NQ. Then finally onto the HQ, they did not say how drastically they would reduce the droprate.

There's no point in complaining before you know the full details. The way I see it you now have more than one chance at getting the BB item from doing the KSNMs than you did before. You also don't have to compete with other people anymore if you want to try for the HNMs items. Could it be made easier? Yes. Is it worse than what's in place now? Hell no.

[viion]

You completely missed a huge factor in your 'calculations.'

Most people have these things called 'friends,' and their 'friends' will also want to do KS99s, NQ Kings, and HQ Kings for drops other than the BB items. Some MNKs have 'friends' who will use 100s of KS to help them get the BB item, on say, the Turtle path. There exist plenty of people in FFXI who aren't total dickwads, and these people will either sell or give away unwanted BB items at the Kings camps.

All these factors combined drastically improves the chances for MNKs to get needed BB items.

You also completely missed a huge factor lol his drop rates were OVERLY optimistic.

Also a lot of people just dont do these or have much reason to, nore level outside abyssea to even get KS.

[Kindra]

MarkovChain Friends don't always require that they get something out of helping their friend. Some people are just nice like that.

[Eeek]

Why would friends of friends want to do KS99 (except for D ring, again). The drops are garbage if you are not a mnk without black belt. iIf anything friends of friends would would want black belt for themselves. If those bcnm or hnm dropped anything valuable like gil item or any good rare/ex, I would believe you.

At this point, I kinda feel bad for Pchan. I say 'kinda' because, well, he is still Pchan.

The dude obviously does not understand the concept of friendship. He's either surrounded by horrible people or really does not have a single friend or any good people in his life.

[MarkovChain]

Willing to bet if they dropped the KSNMs down to a new teir KSNM 10, made all the drops 100%, and gave you icecream after finishing off the HQ HNM people would still complain.

From what I've read there was no word on the KSNM having their BB items removed. So you have a chance of obtaining it there. There's a 100% chance of getting (at least one) of the pop items for the NQ. The NQ mobs have a chance of dropping a HQ nm pop, but no longer have their BB items. Look at it this way, before when you did the KSNM to try to get your BB item, you had no second chance. With it set up like this, you still have a chance to get it from the KSNM + you get a second chance at your BB item if you're lucky enough to get a HQ spawn drop from the NQ. Then finally onto the HQ, they did not say how drastically they would reduce the droprate.

The new system is not a super imporvement of this unless the HQ mob really has a large chance at poping, which is not the impression we got from reading the dev message.



There's no point in complaining before you know the full details. The way I see it you now have more than one chance at getting the BB item from doing the KSNMs than you did before. You also don't have to compete with other people anymore if you want to try for the HNMs items. Could it be made easier? Yes. Is it worse than what's in place now? Hell no.

You are right, looking at it this way it's a better system than the KSNM99 system from nowadays. Problem is noone was getting their black belt though this system in the first place because the droprate was pretty shit ( I remember doing 6-7 of them a few years ago with no drop, not even money drops lol). I you expect to get BB item just from KS99 right now you are probably looking at like 5 bcnms per item if not unlucky, that's 1500 kindred seals which take years to get, and you are not guarranted anything.

[Korpg]

People are going to complain regardless of anything.

If SE changes the drop rate of BB items to 100% KS99, people are going to bitch about getting Black Belt being "too easy" and if they say that the drop rate of BB items for HQ NMs being at 50% people are going to bitch about getting Black Belt being "too hard"

Why not rejoice at the fact that this will hurt the HNM bots a whole lot more now than ever while giving those who either wish to not use bots or have other things to do (family, friends, work, life) than to camp a possible pop.