[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Selzak]

SE @ MNK:

hey, i herd u couldn't get ur black belt...LOL!


Seriously, this is way worse. KS99 for the pop makes it a small step backwards. This makes the mechanics much more practical for the times, but they applied it in such a ridiculous way. They should have just left the drop rates alone, because requiring us to jump through two hoops for a chance at getting a chance to get the item is just silly. Especially when we're playing with KS99...

[blowfin]

How many people have bragged about KS? "gaiz, i have like 700 KS hurp derp"

Now we can ask them. "Have you got your Black Belt yet?"

Seriously though I think this change is just fine. Maintains Black Belt as a difficult to obtain item while removing many of the bad parts of camping the kings. Gives people a reason to burn through those KSNM's too. I don't think the drop rate is going to be as bad as people might be thinking, particularly with pop items being 100% drop from both the KSNM and the NQ. We also have to consider that demand for kings might actually be quite high if the upcoming synergy system for older armor offers decent upgrades.

I did call the whining about the changes a while ago though.... pretty spot on if I do say so myself.

The bad news for a lot of people will probably be that they might have to still put in some hard work to fight them (kings).

[Greatguardian]

I'm still in absolute awe of the fact that Pchan is seemingly incapable of grasping the concept of doing people a favor with no strings attached. Jesus. I don't need another Pixie Earring. If a friend of mine needed a BB I'd gladly toss some seals their way.

[Kindra]

Not that this really applies to me since I have my BB, but I have seen many say that KS's are so easy to get. I would love to have your luck with them then please lol. I am lucky to get 9 if I spend hours killing stuff. While I understand that this update makes some happy I can also see why some are not to pleased. I agree that POP NM is a good idea. Farming KS's is a pain though(that's based off of my luck with them lol). This update will take more time then just camping the HNM's.

Now if they would keep the HQ at 100% drop rate, given that people will have a harder time getting to the HQ, it will make it all worth it .

[MarkovChain]

Nothing has really changed except now you can use those thousands of KS that have piled up over the years towards KS99 where most MNKs have been getting their BB items, get an NQ king pop which could lead to an HQ pop where you end up getting the BB item. Under the old system if you didn't get the BB item @KS99 you were done.

What ? If we go by 50% droparate on the BB item from the HQ KIng, and 50% droprate for the HQ king pop item, you are looking at 400 seals per item or 1200 seals total, and you are not guarranted ANYTHING. This is the most optimistic droprate that you can think of otherwise they would not bother putting a droprate at all. I don't think many peope have 1200 seals to burn in the first place, and secondly it won"t be 50% and 50%.

[MarkovChain]

I'm still in absolute awe of the fact that Pchan is seemingly incapable of grasping the concept of doing people a favor with no strings attached. Jesus. I don't need another Pixie Earring. If a friend of mine needed a BB I'd gladly toss some seals their way.

No you won't, like every other greedy player (check your sig) you will burn your seal and try to get a Defending ring. Question : did you give your empyrean WEAPON pops to a friend to farm him his empyreal weapon? Or did you use them first then helped him get his ? Yup you will do the same, and everyone else will do the same, with KS99. They'll try for them first. And since D ring will never drop, well you know the sequel. I think you are just a little naive about friendship on the internet. Fafnir and adamantoise will not be farm by anyone by monk, and behemtoh will be spammed like hell, is all that will happen.

[Sparthos]

What ? If we go by 50% droparate on the BB item from the HQ KIng, and 50% droprate for the HQ king pop item, you are looking at 400 seals per item or 1200 seals total, and you are not guarranted ANYTHING. This is the most optimistic droprate that you can think of otherwise they would not bother putting a droprate at all. I don't think many peope have 1200 seals to burn in the first place, and secondly it won"t be 50% and 50%.

Which is still an improvement over the old system where if you didn't get the drop from the KS99 NM, you lost all your seals.

New system gives people who don't care for BB incentive to use KS for other crappy drops which benefits MNK indirectly.

Again, if you don't like the changes get +2MNK gear, Twilight Belt and ignore Black Belt.

[Greatguardian]

No you won't, like every other greedy player (check your sig) you will burn your seal and try to get a Defending ring.

The fuck is "greedy" about my sig? I can tell you right now I don't really give a shit about a Dring. Everyone knows KB only drops Pixie Earrings. I'd rather spend what seals I have getting some Nlegs for my Almace buddy's CDC set than on a Dex+3 earring.

Since you ninja edited:

No you won't, like every other greedy player (check your sig) you will burn your seal and try to get a Defending ring. Question : did you give your empyrean WEAPONS pops to a friend to farm him his epryeal weapon? or did you use them first then help him ? Yup you will do the same, and everyone else will do the same, with KS99. They'll try for them first. And since D ring will never drop, well you know the sequel. I think you are just a little naive about friendship on the internet.

Actually, I farmed my Verethragna and my friend's Almace simultaneously. We both finished 24 hours apart, mainly because we had to sleep/work/etc. Afterwards we finished our third friend's Almace for BLU despite getting nothing from him out of it. I've also given up Carabosse pops that I was using for my Armageddon in order to help another friend out with his Masamune.

I think you're just a jaded, cynical Frenchman with no friends. So, I guess we're even.

[MarkovChain]

The fuck is "greedy" about my sig?

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I can tell you right now I don't really give a shit about a Dring. Everyone knows KB only drops Pixie Earrings. I'd rather spend what seals I have getting some Nlegs for my Almace buddy's CDC set than on a Dex+3 earring.

Stop with your retarded pixie earring, bro, it was never good. And PLEASE, don't put put N legs on the level as D ring. Level increase is VERY likely to bring better legs items, it is very unlikely to bring anything better than black belt or defending ring.

[Eeek]

What ? If we go by 50% droparate on the BB item from the HQ KIng, and 50% droprate for the HQ king pop item, you are looking at 400 seals per item or 1200 seals total, and you are not guarranted ANYTHING. This is the most optimistic droprate that you can think of otherwise they would not bother putting a droprate at all. I don't think many peope have 1200 seals to burn in the first place, and secondly it won"t be 50% and 50%.

You completely missed a huge factor in your 'calculations.'

Most people have these things called 'friends,' and their 'friends' will also want to do KS99s, NQ Kings, and HQ Kings for drops other than the BB items. Some MNKs have 'friends' who will use 100s of KS to help them get the BB item, on say, the Turtle path. There exist plenty of people in FFXI who aren't total dickwads, and these people will either sell or give away unwanted BB items at the Kings camps.

All these factors combined drastically improves the chances for MNKs to get needed BB items.