Future of FFXI and your approvals/disapprovals to the development team

[Karbuncle]

1) Bg used to be respected now it's a bunch of idiots and the forums are completely dead, proof is that the main activity concerns comments on the posts done on this site. At one point the site were full of arrogant pricks that at least knew wtf they were talking about but nowadays it's all about optimizing the number of NMs per brew and answering "what's better ?" question by invoking the wonderful spreadsheet done by kinematics from .. Allakhazam. Elitism 101 I guess.

The reason BG is "dead", Is because "New content" is dead. When a new update is released, where do Most people go for up-to-date Info? BG. FFXIAH usually has Copy > Paste of BG Info. Alla i wouldn't know, stopped visiting there in like 2006 except for Job Forums, which are actually pretty decent. I don't suspect very many people on this forum to ever visit BG because they're probably the same type of people who just "heard a friend of a friend made a thread (without reading the stickies) and got flammed so everyone on BG is an Elitist". Theres a bad Stigma on BG, But its only when people blindly fly to the thread, Make a random topic asking 1-liner questions without reading the stickies, and then get told off. Usually they go off on a whiny tangent about "HURR HURR ALL MY FRANS SAID BG WAS ELITISTS I GUESS THUR RIGHT".

ANYWAY, Eventually after all info of the update is discovered, It reverts back to a casual forum, We talk about random topics, Misc Questions, etc. BG used to be drama filled which is where a lot of the old threads began, Drama just died down, and that's good. Its still a great website for information, a lot of people still contribute a lot to the website in terms of testing/math behind new items/unfamiliar aspects of the game. I can't quite think of the persons name but they have a Drawn-SAM Taru in their Avatar, i think names with a K, does a lot of Testing, very informative.

Even a thread/section now dedicated to discovering previously unknown things, testing previously assumed things, etc.

There are a select for jerks there, but they're mostly in the minimal now, and to be frank, every forum on the internet is rather harsh when it comes to people posting without reading the sticky threads, or asking questions already answered cause they didn't use search function. i visit 2 other non-FFXI Related forums, the Minecraft Forums, and the Capcom-Devroom (For MML3), and trust me when i say they do the exact same thing when people make bad threads about already-answered questions without reading Sticky/Searching.

So yah, Its not BG, its the Internet.

Edit: BTW, calling someone out, and assuming you're better than them is a form of Elitism. So while you sit there and call BG elitist, and act like you're so much better than them, You yourself become an Elitist.

[Anewie]

I'm not arguing with him anymore. Here are the facts that make my argument valid to the point I was making.

@75 to successfully and consistantly clear salvage zones, you had to focus a fair amount. Fair amount meaning quite a bit. You had to be quick, as it's a timed event. You had to know your job very well and play it, very well. You had to listen. You had to work hard. Salvage was not a casual event. The reason you didn't see just anyone in 5/5 salvage sets wasn't JUST because you couldn't enter and stay as long as you want.

Arguing and comparing salvage with abyssea and the the differences between obtaining 5/5 set of usukane to mnk af3 is honestly, no comparison. The reason why are endless and I dont have to argue with you on that.

[Greatguardian]

You guys were arguing with Pchan. At least you know better now, right?

[Karbuncle]

You guys were arguing with Pchan. At least you know better now, right?

really? He is? ISTG when i saw his posts the first thing i almost said was... "Pchan...?"

[Greatguardian]

really? He is? ISTG when i saw his posts the first thing i almost said was... "Pchan...?"

Yup, definitely Pchan. He even has "not idle" in his sig for good measure.

[Rambus]

Greatguardian told me about this pchan before but i could not find where.

His posts have no real depht hard to replay to, had do to something with march thread or haste..

ah that was the other topic you told me about him always using 2 march, though i forgot the real topic of that thread

yay i found it:

Pchan, aka Pimpchan on Leviathan. He posts here under MarkovChain. The majority of the endgame community has learned not to bother listening to a word he says. This is the only person I know of in the history of BG forums to be banned by popular request. Seriously, I cannot possibly explain how bad an idea it is to respond seriously to Pchan. You can try it if you want, but you'll just regret it later.

click the quote go to thread lol

[MarkovChain]

Right because that's all salvage required. I'm calling bs on you. Salvage was not just some mindless, "oh hay lets go kill etc" and i'm sorry but I wasn't a gear whore and in my 6 man group, we had other people to tend too. Most people would think a full set per 6months was pretty good back then. We were after all, one of the better known groups.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree but i am a salvage vet and I was part of a very good group. Did I have bad luck with 35s? Yes I did but who didn't? LMAO at everone having morrigan slopes. You are either dillusional or something! Also, If you honestly believe a person could just say. oh hay! I feel like doing salvage! I wanna get enlil's doublet ! I'm gonna shout for 6 people so we can go!

No. Just not. That is ABYSSEA! iN SALVAGE, to even consider shouting, first, you needed a good guide, a skilled person who knew wtf. And you can believe guiding a random group through salvage/cell calling required much more effort than calling procs. If you don't think that, well you just simply, don't know

I lead abyssea and salvage and I am telling you, if you think you woulda been able to obtain 5/5 salvage set in a week, if u could stay in salvage as long as you wanted, with a random shout group of 4-6 people, I would say you have a lot to learn. That is not at all the case and there was much more to salvage than there is to abyssea. Fact.

Stop giving me lessson bro. My salvage group elaborated a good chunk of salvage strategies and also discovered, for instance, how to pop zhayolm 4F frog (and it dropped) for the first time 10 months after release. 2 years for a full set ? Faceplam. I say 6 months for a set going 4/week and I'm not a gear wore considering everyone had 2-3 fulls sets in the end and only stayed to sell drops to server transfers with capped gil. I know exactly what to expect from each NM. Morrigan slops NM is no different, it's just that the zone itself is harder.

Also for your information, you should have played with JP during salvage era because they did a lot of shout and were successful. Random pickup would easily clear the zone, but they absolutely required specific jobs. So saying noone did salvage shout is wrong.

[MarkovChain]

Edit: BTW, calling someone out, and assuming you're better than them is a form of Elitism. So while you sit there and call BG elitist, and act like you're so much better than them, You yourself become an Elitist.

Don't think you read me right. Noone on BG is elitist anymore. 99% of the posters can't do or understand maths behind their jobs and generally also spread wrong info around (a good example is greatguardian in here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...7600#post77600 which he prompty posted on BG maybe hoping someone will back him up ?). There are still a few good poster, but they are pretty hard to notice seing as generally the info is hidden into weaird long and linear thread. It's not exactly an encyclopedia of knowlege. They have generally good average knowledge but the top mathologist are not there. Not surprising seing as the game is based on random numbers and probability theory is a pretty hard math part.

[Greatguardian]

Your link's broken, broseph, so I have no idea what you're referring to. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong if I'm actually wrong. It definitely happens sometimes. I'm still a better poster than you are either way.

[Meyi]

When a new update is released, where do Most people go for up-to-date Info? BG.

FFXIclopedia. I never hear anyone ever suggest BG, but always hear people suggest wiki.