Inflated Shihei Prices hmmmmm......

[rog]

it didn't even cross my mind people use utsusemi that are not ninja main.

I did not think ninjas even used it anymore, other than maybe utsu2, right before a single target nuke casted.

[wish12oz]

Just ni, depending on what you're fighting, its usually not worth it to cast ichi.

[Eri]

Yea theres totally only Abyssea right now.... wait no there was something else like... outside of Abyssea?

i mean like, what you are saying is:

-There is only Abyssea
-Ppl shouldnt sub Ninja
-Rippoffs should be Supported

That all i see here, IF i was going to make an abyssea pt and say a thf comes up being not /nin i would
NOT invite them. If they aint useing Shadows i would kick them. Period.

Fixing the Price on all Servers by adding a Npc selling Shihei for a decent Price is like the only thing in order.

[wish12oz]

Utsusemi is less useful outside abyssea, I cant think of anything worth fighting where your evasion is bad enough to warrant casting ichi on NIN, or THF or DNC, and other jobs shouldn't be subbing ninja anyway. I'm not even sure THF and DNC should be subbing ninja anymore~ WAR might be better since they both have dual wield from main jobs now right? (This last part is a serious question, if anyone knows)

[rog]

-There is only Abyssea
-Ppl shouldnt sub Ninja
-Rippoffs should be Supported

Anything outside abyssea is too easy to matter. It is certainly too easy to require /nin.
Right.
What? No one is being ripped off. This is how an economy works. Supply is low, demand is high, and profits are (relatively) low and/or no one needs money. Therefore prices are high.

[Mirage]

Yea theres totally only Abyssea right now.... wait no there was something else like... outside of Abyssea?

i mean like, what you are saying is:

-There is only Abyssea
-Ppl shouldnt sub Ninja
-Rippoffs should be Supported

That all i see here, IF i was going to make an abyssea pt and say a thf comes up being not /nin i would
NOT invite them. If they aint useing Shadows i would kick them. Period.

Fixing the Price on all Servers by adding a Npc selling Shihei for a decent Price is like the only thing in order.

So you want to permanently cap the cost of ninja tools, so that when inflation occurs later, shihei will no longer be profitable to craft at all, and crafters will have one less item to make.

Please, just stop complaining. Just seriously look into leveling woodworking to level 29+, then you'll get all the cheap shihei you'd ever want. If you think that is too much work, or too expensive, just fucking deal with buying it.

Or ask anyone in your LS who has got woodworking to 29 to make it for you if you bring them the materials. If you have any friends there at all, i'm sure they could make you the shihei for just a 5% profit, which is what it seems like you want.

[Eri]

Thf gets DW 1 by Lvl 83 and that is MORE delay then /nin .... /nin is better then /dnc tho.
Dnc wise i dont sub nin unless i know i need the Shadows, then again thats often.
If a main Nin aint casting Ichi they are bad. Fight anything worthwhile and you need both Utsusemi's
Main Nin or not you need them, cuz if every hit you take is 500 dmg that hurts the mages mp.
ANYWAY the Price is to high =P

[rog]

If a main Nin aint casting Ichi they are bad. Fight anything worthwhile and you need both Utsusemi's
Main Nin or not you need them, cuz if every hit you take is 500 dmg that hurts the mages mp.
ANYWAY the Price is to high =P

Not really. You do not need either utsu in most situations. 500 damage per hit is easily healed with a simple cure4. 88 mp every 3 seconds is stupidly easy to keep up with.

And if the price is too high, then craft them yourself. Not only will you get yourself shihei at cost of materials, you will also increase supply, therefore reducing the price for everyone else.

[Tamoa]

Taking a quick look at the recipe for shihei and the ingredients needed I come to this conclusion:

Synthing 1 stack of shihei with little to no chance of HQ will actually cost you more than buying 1 stack from the AH.

If you don't want to buy the ingredients from npcs/AH, you need other crafts levelled aswell. Or have a friend or 2 that are willing to make the bast parchment and do some fishing for you.

Making shihei from scratch is time consuming. If you buy ingredients, it's gil out of your pocket. Either way, can't blame crafters for wanting to make a profit. And I'll join the "what else is there to spend gil on these days?"-choir.

[Kensagaku]

Thf gets DW 1 by Lvl 83 and that is MORE delay then /nin .... /nin is better then /dnc tho.
Dnc wise i dont sub nin unless i know i need the Shadows, then again thats often.
If a main Nin aint casting Ichi they are bad. Fight anything worthwhile and you need both Utsusemi's
Main Nin or not you need them, cuz if every hit you take is 500 dmg that hurts the mages mp.
ANYWAY the Price is to high =P

What Rog said... but let me put that in another context, solo. I solo a lot on NIN/DNC, and I often end up bouncing between screens and doing something else while farming pop items. I come back, my shadows might be stripped, but at most I've taken a negligible amount of hits and one Curing Waltz III and I'm back up to snuff. Usually I go Ni->Ni, and even then I generally allocate at most 1 shihei per non-NM. NMs I go Ni->Ni as well with minimal difficulty; Ichi is there as a crutch should a worst-case scenario happen, but so little does said scenario happen that I don't really think of it often. Really only Heroes-zone NMs, and only the bigger ones.

And this is all assuming a normal TP set, which with me has... 7 Eva from my Iga Erimaki and 3 from my Heed Ring (only 'cause I'm saving up a brew to nab Epona's from Rani now). I can't remember the last thing outside of Abyssea that required me to use my NIN or any job /NIN, since most of the content is currently really easy at our levels. Most of the time I just go BST or DRG, because nothing warrants me needing my NIN's evasion. I can't think of the last time I died outside of Abyssea short of the soloing mishaps on my PUP35.

As a NIN main, I burn through a stack of shihei toolbags in roughly... two weeks. In that time, I've made more than enough from random drops (Hello 160k scrolls or 20k pop items from NMs, or 7.5k sellable gear that I don't care about) to cover the costs and then some. Heck, I've even found a little side-profit farming up Automaton Attachments looking for my Strobe (which still won't drop!) and making 20-30k per attachment because no one farms them but people still want to play Puppetmaster. Lookie there, another way of making gil.

100k shihei toolbag sets aren't that bad.