The official Dark Knight adjustment and suggestion topic.

[Afrohatch]

Also, losing 2.3k HP in abyssea is ridiculously easy. And why make an argument that defender isn't going to save you from a magic nuke when dread spijes isn't going to do jack either?

Stun, weapon bash, drain, drain 2, nether void, dread spikes

versus

Defender

[Returner]

Stun, weapon bash, drain, drain 2, nether void, dread spikes

versus

Retaliation

Fixed for you.

Also, if you think stun the mob + weapon bash will safe you from a mob killing you, think twice. While you stopped their moves for 2 sec, you are not doing any damage in those 2 sec either, once they are out of stun they can continue to rip your face off. And no, drain for 350, drain II for 500, and if you want to add neither void drain II for 1k ok, still not going to safe you and you are most likely going to get interrupted casting with /sam. You are almost better off to just try to kill the mob before it kills you, which is why retaliation is so amazingly broken. Dread spikes is cool but it doesn't stop TP move.

You are missing the whole point, whenever you are casting you are crippling your melee damage, and that's why the job fails. The magic and melee aren't synergy but a counter productive action to each other, the biggest flaw of the job of DRK.

[Kagato]

Fixed for you.

Also, if you think stun the mob + weapon bash will safe you from a mob killing you, think twice. While you stopped their moves for 2 sec, you are not doing any damage in those 2 sec either, once they are out of stun they can continue to rip your face off. And no, drain for 350, drain II for 500, and if you want to add neither void drain II for 1k ok, still not going to safe you and you are most likely going to get interrupted casting with /sam. You are almost better off to just try to kill the mob before it kills you, which is why retaliation is so amazingly broken. Dread spikes is cool but it doesn't stop TP move.

You are missing the whole point, whenever you are casting you are crippling your melee damage, and that's why the job fails. The magic and melee aren't synergy but a counter productive action to each other, the biggest flaw of the job of DRK.

Nameless, there's a reason I like you so much. You actually know what you're talking about and have been for years.

Here's a +1 "Like" for your post.

[Jar]

Fixed for you.

Also, if you think stun the mob + weapon bash will safe you from a mob killing you, think twice. While you stopped their moves for 2 sec, you are not doing any damage in those 2 sec either, once they are out of stun they can continue to rip your face off. And no, drain for 350, drain II for 500, and if you want to add neither void drain II for 1k ok, still not going to safe you and you are most likely going to get interrupted casting with /sam. You are almost better off to just try to kill the mob before it kills you, which is why retaliation is so amazingly broken. Dread spikes is cool but it doesn't stop TP move.

You are missing the whole point, whenever you are casting you are crippling your melee damage, and that's why the job fails. The magic and melee aren't synergy but a counter productive action to each other, the biggest flaw of the job of DRK.

You changed the subject from survivability to raw damage power .....................

you are really going to say because able to kill a mob faster means there more defensive now?

fuck souleater for 3 hits will take hate off you and make retaliation worthless.... and once enmity caps unless your fucking duo your not going to keep hate anyway.

sure retaliation is broken when you have hate or when your fell cleaving but it wont top dread spikes when used right................... hell you think mobs with high tier magic and TP moves are not worth even stuning for the 2 sec delay? get real...

also almost nothing can interrupt a DRK with 415+ darkmagic skill.......

[Cruentus]

I see this thread has gone to pot.

Personally, I take pride in being a dark knight. I really do. And then idiots like Jar, Afrohatch, and Tsukino_Kaji come in and do their absolute best to destroy any hope we have of actually GETTING SHIT DONE TO FIX THE GOD DAMN JOB.

I mean, seriously, if you were a developer, and you saw how badly this thread has fallen, would you want to even bother with fixing the job? Probably not, because all human beings tend to see is the negative side of things. All the developer's going to pay any attention to is how everyone's arguing with everyone, all the name-calling, and all the retarded, asinine, and downright stupid ideas that would only make the job even more horrible than it already is. And, as a result, they'd do nothing but laugh at how stupid we all look. I wonder why else we'd get Tactical freaking Parry.

I've had enough. I have had it up to HERE with this thread, nay, this entire forum going down the toilet, all because people don't know what the bloody hell they're talking about, and get all defensive and loud-mouthed about it out of a fear of being incorrect.

Learn from your mistakes, do some research, take basic algebra, and then MAYBE you'll be in a position to give suggestions, you three. And this goes for everyone who agrees with them as well.

[Kagato]

I see this thread has gone to pot.

Personally, I take pride in being a dark knight. I really do. And then idiots like Jar, Afrohatch, and Tsukino_Kaji come in and do their absolute best to destroy any hope we have of actually GETTING SHIT DONE TO FIX THE GOD DAMN JOB.

I mean, seriously, if you were a developer, and you saw how badly this thread has fallen, would you want to even bother with fixing the job? Probably not, because all human beings tend to see is the negative side of things. All the developer's going to pay any attention to is how everyone's arguing with everyone, all the name-calling, and all the retarded, asinine, and downright stupid ideas that would only make the job even more horrible than it already is. And, as a result, they'd do nothing but laugh at how stupid we all look. I wonder why else we'd get Tactical freaking Parry.

I've had enough. I have had it up to HERE with this thread, nay, this entire forum going down the toilet, all because people don't know what the bloody hell they're talking about, and get all defensive and loud-mouthed about it out of a fear of being incorrect.

Learn from your mistakes, do some research, take basic algebra, and then MAYBE you'll be in a position to give suggestions, you three. And this goes for everyone who agrees with them as well.

I wouldn't worry about it. The only people that agree with those 3 you listed are themselves and the occasional misinformed person every now and then. Most people completely disagree with them on almost everything. This topic still has the support of many top DRKs and several other DRK mains who feel there's some changes that need to be made.

[Rezeak]

fuck souleater for 3 hits will take hate off you and make retaliation worthless.... and once enmity caps unless your fucking duo your not going to keep hate anyway.

sure retaliation is broken when you have hate or when your fell cleaving but it wont top dread spikes when used right................... hell you think mobs with high tier magic and TP moves are not worth even stuning for the 2 sec delay? get real....

Man can u stop making up BS

DMG wise Retaliation vs DRK spamming dreadspikes.
a) WAR can use Retaliation FULL TIME and doesn't have a DMG limit
b) WAR can ukkos to cap hate (it's like 3k WS caped ahte without enmity gear) o and if thats not enough Provoke or Warcry(well blood rage) is there too)
c) the TP gain ALONE trumps dreadspikes DMG. (1 ukko for 3k-4k > Dread spikes)

And if we're taking about suriviabilty then it's the tp moves or magic that usally kills me not taking melee DMG so plz.

[Jar]

Man can u stop making up BS

DMG wise Retaliation vs DRK spamming dreadspikes.
a) WAR can use Retaliation FULL TIME and doesn't have a DMG limit
b) WAR can ukkos to cap hate (it's like 3k WS caped ahte without enmity gear) o and if thats not enough Provoke or Warcry(well blood rage) is there too)
c) the TP gain ALONE trumps dreadspikes DMG. (1 ukko for 3k-4k > Dread spikes)

And if we're taking about suriviabilty then it's the tp moves or magic that usally kills me not taking melee DMG so plz.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/13235.html

hates going to cap way fast than you argument over retaliation ends because the mob spins in a circle...

yes scythe needs a boost the rest of you guys are fucking crazy tho.

[Anathiel]

Also, if you think stun the mob + weapon bash will safe you from a mob killing you, think twice. While you stopped their moves for 2 sec, you are not doing any damage in those 2 sec either, once they are out of stun they can continue to rip your face off. And no, drain for 350, drain II for 500, and if you want to add neither void drain II for 1k ok, still not going to safe you and you are most likely going to get interrupted casting with /sam. You are almost better off to just try to kill the mob before it kills you, which is why retaliation is so amazingly broken. Dread spikes is cool but it doesn't stop TP move.

You are missing the whole point, whenever you are casting you are crippling your melee damage, and that's why the job fails. The magic and melee aren't synergy but a counter productive action to each other, the biggest flaw of the job of DRK.

Wow, this sums up exactly how I've felt about the job since I first became a DRK. Hit the nail on the head.