One thing that really pisses me off about the FFXI community

[Tamoa]

While it's not perfect, FFXI's UI is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on my list of things I would like SE to improve about the game. Compared to many other games, it's quite user-friendly.

[Rhianu]

Horrid example. The OP of that thread is an idiot/troll who spams the boards with 1-line threads. Anyone who's kept up with General Discussion at all is fairly sick of it; thus the responses.

The OP brought up a perfectly valid suggestion in that post. The fact that it was only a couple lines long is irrelevant. You don't always need to write a long wall of text for your point to be valid.

Compared to many other games, it's quite user-friendly.

Actually no, it's not. FFXI players think the UI user-friendly, only because they've been using it for years and have become accustomed to it. But in truth FFXI actually has one of the most user-UNfriendly UIs of any MMO. Sure, there are a couple games out there that are worse in this respect, but FFXI is nowhere near the top. FFXI is the only MMO I know of where newbies struggle just to figure out how to walk.

[Tamoa]

The OP brought up a perfectly valid suggestion in that post. The fact that it was only a couple lines long is irrelevant. You don't always need to write a long wall of text for your point to be valid.

The OP of that thread had already spammed the forum with other threads, most of them demanding things that aren't broken to be fixed, or asking questions about the most basic stuff it would have taken him 1 minute to look up on wiki. Then he left every thread to rot, not acknowleding any replies or anything. So, people were already rather tired of him.

Actually no, it's not. FFXI players think the UI user-friendly, only because they've been using it for years and have become accustomed to it. But in truth FFXI actually has one of the most user-UNfriendly UIs of any MMO. Sure, there are a couple games out there that are worse in this respect, but FFXI is nowhere near the top. FFXI is the only MMO I know of where newbies struggle just to figure out how to walk.

Actually, both my statement and yours are a matter of opinion. Not a fact. If newbies struggle to figure out how to walk (which I did lol), it's on them, not having read instructions (which I didn't).

[Karbuncle]

Its not that he brought a valid point, Its that he was a terrible Troll, Go read his other threads and you'll understand why he was met with resistance. He created Dozens of plain stupid 1-lined Spam Threads that were obvious troll attempts.

However, Later in that thread the idea was discussed normally.

While it's not perfect, FFXI's UI is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on my list of things I would like SE to improve about the game. Compared to many other games, it's quite user-friendly.

What Friendly UI? How can it be user friendly if it doesn't Mimic WoW Piece for piece?

Stop talking nonsense.

on a serious note, the UI is far from Perfect, But its also far from critically needing improvement. Right now half of the complaints about the UI are offered Via Windower, Truthfully SE could end the trouble if they just acknowledged Windower was okay to use.

[Rhianu]

The OP of that thread had already spammed the forum with other threads, most of them demanding things that aren't broken to be fixed, or asking questions about the most basic stuff it would have taken him 1 minute to look up on wiki. Then he left every thread to rot, not acknowleding any replies or anything. So, people were already rather tired of him.

The things he's said in other topics is irrelevant, as that particular post I referenced was a perfectly valid suggestion and pointed out a genuine problem with the UI.

[Jackastheripper]

I love that the OP is at 6 posts (as I post this) and 5 of them are in this thread which means he started this profile to flame lol. Looks like we have a new troll on our hands. And on a side note, I started a /blist suggestions thread in the site suggestions area of the site. Check it out!

[Anethia]

I'm not sure what part of the UI you're complaining about. Perhaps if you give an example of your specific gripe you might get a more educated discussion out of it. I've seen plenty of threads on these forums that suggest some creative changes to the UI and none of those posters have actually been ridiculed and insulted for their suggestions. What this thread sounds like is you just bashed the UI and provided no input as to how to improve it, as a result you got flamed and trolled and now your just pissy cause noone took you seriously.

In regards to third party programs, those work outside the bounds of the game and bypass certain restrictions. However, these programs are, by definition, violating the ToS by possibly giving an unfair advantage to their user. Despite what positive uses they might provide in terms of improving on the games UI, they are prohibited programs that you use at your own risk.

[Rhianu]

Actually, both my statement and yours are a matter of opinion. Not a fact. If newbies struggle to figure out how to walk (which I did lol), it's on them, not having read instructions (which I didn't).

See, that's a big misconception that seems to be perpetuated among FFXI players. If new players have trouble just figuring out how to do simple things walk, that is not their fault, it is the game's fault for not making walking intuitive enough or not presenting the instructions in the proper format (hint: the proper format is usually in-game tool-tips, which are completely missing from FFXI).

[Karbuncle]

See, that's a big misconception that seems to be perpetuated among FFXI players. If new players have trouble just figuring out how to do simple things walk, that is not their fault, it is the game's fault for not making walking intuitive enough.

Actually It Kinda Is. I agree the UI needs some work, but learning to walk/heal/etc Are all in the Manual. its not the games fault players wouldn't read the Manual. When i buy a new game i always look at the Controls/Commands.

[Rhianu]

Actually It Kinda Is. I agree the UI needs some work, but learning to walk/heal/etc Are all in the Manual. its not the games fault players wouldn't read the Manual. When i buy a new game i always look at the Controls/Commands.

Any game that requires the player to read the manual is poorly designed. A good, well designed interface should be so intuitive that no instruction is necessary, or if that's not possible then all the pertinent instructions should be presented within the game itself. Any interface that requires users to turn to an outside source for instruction, whether that instruction be in a manual or on a website, is counter-intuitive.