We need more Agi on Ninja Empyrean Gear

[Greatguardian]

Yeah, I know how magic damage works, lol. And no, WSC (this is the name for what you're calling "Secondary Mods") does not cap.

If a WS has a 50% STR mod, then 50% of your STR is multiplied by Alpha to determine your WSC, which is added to the base damage of your weapon for the WS. This never caps, so even if you have 9,001 STR, you simply take 50% of that (4500.5), multiply it by Alpha (0.85 at level 90), which comes out to 3825.425, floored to 3825, and add that to the base damage of your weapon. You can theoretically hit things with a D: 3900 weapon just fine if you have that much STR. In reality, the game won't report your doing over 63,536 damage in a single WS, though. The damage will be dealt, you can hit a mob for 100k damage and kill it, but it would only show up as the overflow amount in the logs (in the case of 100k damage, it would show up as 36,464 damage).

This is why people stack WSC in Abyssea. The returns are relatively decreasing, but they don't cap unlike fStr, cRatio, and dDex.

As far as actually understanding the math goes, I'm afraid there isn't much I can do to help with that. It might look like a lot to take in but really it's just basic high school algebra. The hardest part is just associating the terms with their definitions. Ie: cRatio = Ratio of Attack to Defense, modified by Level Correction.

[hiko]

I will agree to this but, why say this here?

thread title is I want more <stat> on <job> empyrean gear, it's more on topic than all your QQing about being unable to cap att/fstr for namas and lack of knoledge on dmg calculation

[Rambus]

This is why people stack WSC in Abyssea. The returns are relatively decreasing, but they don't cap unlike fStr, cRatio, and dDex.

most people always do that though -.- before / outside abyssea.

How do you know mob stat in abyssea though? with the range of damage you can get in damage?

and attack cap? like you said just need 800 attack?

is blade hi best for nin while brew? I do not get how to tell what ws should do well while brew past actally testing it

the labels do confuse me when I had to figure out mage i had to do a lot on my own. like dint dimishing retunrs/cap there is a forumla for that but I got confused and wasn't that important.

thread title is I want more <stat> on <job> empyrean gear, it's more on topic than all your QQing about being unable to cap att/fstr for namas and lack of knoledge on dmg calculation

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, in that case i want INT on my useless SCH pants. more then 10, has to outdo abyssea drop.

[wish12oz]

How do you know mob stat in abyssea though? with the range of damage you can get in damage?

and attack cap? like you said just need 800 attack?

You can determine mob stats and attack/defense by testing. What those tests are can be found here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103922-Monster-Data
If they are not there, they probably will be soon.

Honestly though, I figure out mob agl and how much dex I need by counting my critical hit rate. And I figure out my acc by counting missed attacks vs landed attacks. Outside abyssea when I get 25% (75% inside) crit rate and 95% acc I know Im capped. Based on how much damage you do, you should know if your attack is low or high, and gear accordingly.

is blade hi best for nin while brew? I do not get how to tell what ws should do well while brew past actally testing it

The best WS is dependant on the mob, but magic WS's are usually best. Testing is also the correct way to find out what is best, or asking people who you know would of tested.

It's to bad I didn't notice this thread still had people comenting on it for so long!
Also:

so back at that personal attack please do not do it ( i know you didn't Greatguardian, talking to wish).

Don't like it when I call you out for being an idiot and not knowing what you're talking about even though you pretend to? Then don't start with me.

Sorry I am confused, are you trying to be funny or do not understand how things work?

I was just talking about this with a friend how to gear for ws, I think i understand now why I see remarks like "most blade HI users suck or "wow a blade hi user that does damage"

This was your first comment in this thread, directly insulting me and saying I know nothing, when the information I gave was correct, and you said a bunch of retarded incorrect information. Act like an idiot and you will get called an idiot, simple as that. This thread is proof you know nothing of game mechanics, but you tried to act like we were the stupid ones and you knew everything.

[Rambus]

I did not insult you, I am not here to pick fights.

no that was not to you.

we have more DEX on it than AGI what gives? our blade:Hi Depends on AGI

Sorry I am confused, are you trying to be funny or do not understand how things work?

I was just talking about this with a friend how to gear for ws, I think i understand now why I see remarks like "most blade HI users suck or "wow a blade hi user that does damage"

You do NOT use secondary mod for WS gear, it is mostly str, attack ( if huge amount), and DEX if it is crt.
so blade HI is a combo of STR, attack ( only high amounts but abyssea changes the rules if you can get attacked capped or not) and DEX. I do not know how much dex is needed to cap inside abyssea but that is the general idea.

some WS are more attack heavy then others to get the full potential of said WS.

IF THF it is mostly DEX on SA, IF thf +1 af hands ( not emp) AGI gear may be ok on TA

is that why everyone weired out? cuz I did not quote op???

and I did not say such thing like "suck less" as far as i see things i was asking a legitimate question, as in “do you know attack, STR,DEX are factors?” , “most people i seen play and talk all they do is gear AGI without knowing other factors” is what I was trying to get at, im sorry if my words seem a but more harsh or sounding like I was calling AGI useless.

and all that would been directed to OP not you.

Why did you even think that was directed to you? cuz you tell him to gear change? it don't make sense.

To me it looks clear who it was meant for

[Tamoa]

For what it's worth, yes your first post on page 1 did look like it was directed at Wish12oz. Always a good thing to quote whomever your post is directed at when there are other posts between theirs and yours, to avoid such misunderstandings.