To the posters of this fourm, understand constructive criticism

[Rambus]

The reason she inevitably gets trolled (and not by me... I only recently started posting and simply refuted her points rather than trolling... i.e. she dug her own grave) is because she is bad-mannered and a social nuisance; most people don't appreciate being "shouted at" by all capital letters and treated like they're trolls simply because their way of thinking does not mesh with hers. Inevitably, she has become a laughingstock to most of the FFXI official forums community from her actions, and has zero credibility or standing among the majority.

tl;dr what Rog said: Because it doesn't work.

There should be NO TROLLING, it is in ToS, you control your words she don't make you say them

[SNK]

Well to be fair Rambus. You really don't think the things she posts isn't some form of trolling? I find it hard to believe much of what she says when she's saying that she saw a PUP solo Dynamis Lord.

Really now.

[Kensagaku]

There should be NO TROLLING, it is in ToS, you control your words she don't make you say them

Please read my post... I have not posted with the intent to troll her. All I have done is refute simple points that she left wide open with a lack of logic. Also, as a request, please use some bare modicum of grammar so that I don't have to stare at the screen wondering where modern education has left us today.

I'm glad you're having fun white-knighting your friend here, but in all honesty, you're supporting a moot point. Krystal's most recent topic, the one you listed, was anything but constructive criticism. It was an inflammatory topic that directly attacked, without evidence, a system that is in place. As a result, people pointed out that the topic was a waste of time and internet space. I was merely one of those, pointing it out in the way Krystal treated others and that her lack of credibility, along with the questionable content of the thread, made it hard to take her seriously.

Maybe the ToS does state something against trolling, but for the most part Krystal called it upon herself by being a rude, ignorant, and childish member of the community. I don't condone it, but I'm sure as heck not arguing that it's uncalled for.

[Alhanelem]

most people don't appreciate being "shouted at" by all capital letters and treated like they're trolls simply because their way of thinking does not mesh with hers.

This is pretty much the gist of that specific problem. Usually the topic is reasonable enough, but she has to call out all the people who might attempt to troll her in advance- this always backfires and virtually always results in being trolled more.

[Rambus]

Please read my post... I have not posted with the intent to troll her. All I have done is refute simple points that she left wide open with a lack of logic. Also, as a request, please use some bare modicum of grammar so that I don't have to stare at the screen wondering where modern education has left us today.

I'm glad you're having fun white-knighting your friend here, but in all honesty, you're supporting a moot point. Krystal's most recent topic, the one you listed, was anything but constructive criticism. It was an inflammatory topic that directly attacked, without evidence, a system that is in place. As a result, people pointed out that the topic was a waste of time and internet space. I was merely one of those, pointing it out in the way Krystal treated others and that her lack of credibility, along with the questionable content of the thread, made it hard to take her seriously.

Maybe the ToS does state something against trolling, but for the most part Krystal called it upon herself by being a rude, ignorant, and childish member of the community. I don't condone it, but I'm sure as heck not arguing that it's uncalled for.

Oh i am sorry when i said "you" I meant to general public, I did not mean you specifically. I do not believe in "well you made yourself a target so i cannot control my actions".

I am not white knighting crap, I do not care of such ting, I do not gain from such a thing. what I care about is SE taking us seriously, and that will not happen with attitude like this.
If you think something is troll is to report it, if you ( as in everyone) cannot post without a flame then report it and say nothing.

I am going to be honest, i read little that thread but I am tired of this theme:

This thread was started to invite constructive criticism, which is welcome. However, the thread seems to have strayed from its intended goal. As such, this thread is being locked.

[Alkalinehoe]

Oh i am sorry when i said "you" I meant to general public, I did not mean you specifically. I do not believe in "well you made yourself a target so i cannot control my actions".

I am not white knighting crap, I do not care of such ting, I do not gain from such a thing. what I care about is SE taking us seriously, and that will not happen with attitude like this.
If you think something is troll is to report it, if you ( as in everyone) cannot post without a flame then report it and say nothing.

I am going to be honest, i read little that thread but I am tired of this theme:

The SE mods are nice, you shouldn't take their excuses for closing down threads all the time though. They're just trying to be impartial and not call Krystal an idiot.

[Gokku]

I for one as a player and a person staunchly defend something I'm passionate about. Monk and Warrior being my mains are generally the only times ill post something. Krystal just happens to keep mentioning them and i try to stop her/his/its ignorance before it spreads I'm in no means the nicest person about it but i do try to get people to see the facts. Now Krystal and there views are wrong on so many levels but being wrong isn't the issue its the failure to accept anything else that's right.

Another prime example is Arcon in the warrior forums, hes posting nonsense backed by incorrect and incomplete math *hes even said its incomplete himself* but when corrected refuses to accept it. The worst thing about it all is people will listen, some will see the lack of logic and ignore him but i promise you someones going to eat every word he says as fact.

Lastly you have the rage fest that was players trying to argue against gear swaps and haste. Yes it turned into a huge flame war and thank god the player base killed that ideal and threads off fairly quick but the repercussions of what leaving threads like that alone could do are worth all the trolling in the world. If derailing and Trolling are what it takes to either make these people leave or stop posting were dev's and players that can have an effect will see are then good. The sooner we clear the Forums of all the horrid, childish,and ignorant posted threads the more likely for quality threads to be made increases. We as players are the only ones who can say "this person is wrong" the mods can lock and delete only so much.

tl;dr : Only you can prevent forest fires


P.S. PRIME EXAMPLE is that thread up now about someone wanting SE to make all the changes THEY deem necessary so that they alone are happy. Yes some of there points are ok and people are pointing out the ignorant points but once again the person is ignoring fact.

[Rezeak]

This is why there should be a dislike button while it's negative it a much better way to disagree with someone

[Kazen]

Oh page 7, that's the page that one of my responses resulted in us finding out she is a psychologist (lol).

[Bubeeky]

You can't start a thread violently threatening people in capital letters and whatnot and expect some kind of constructive criticism as a response...the world just doesn't work like that. Respect others to get respected yourself. Also, answer questions posed about your posts...don't fly off the handle when someone points out logical questions/points, then claim you're a psychologist irl so you shouldn't be questioned. (these are references to things I saw Krystal doing in other posts btw)