Feedback related to Vana'Bout

[Dragoy]

Doesn't it take months of checking multiple ???s every day just for a bunch of vendor trash just to start monster rearing or anything interesting in Mog Garden?

Right, there is the part where we need the total of the things to rank up to 20.

Would imagine I'd kind of remember how long it takes, considering I did it on a few characters from 0 after the last Vana'Bout round... I think it was, but I really can't quite remember now. And I didn't even do the Vana'Bout objective on them yet, that'll show 'em!

Kind of feel like it didn't take months, but time's a mess!

imprimatur requirements for what? I don't recall being required to do a ton of coalition assignments to complete the main mission line.

There are certain points during the missions where a certain amount of imprimaturs must have been used, or at least there was (as an example, Arciela Appears Again I think is one such point).

I don't remember if I ever actually hit that wall on the few characters I did those missions on, however, but I also had probably done coalition tasks quite a bit before those points already.

I've gotten it 4 times so far, so that's 4 objectives that are entirely impossible for me to complete.

Fun how they push the not completed objectives to the next day, isn't it? ^^;

Almost wonder if it's even working as intended. I don't see a point in it aside from maybe being an extra punishment.

Now if they pushed it to the next day, and also gave us the normal next day objective, it could work as a catch-up mechanic... but nope!

[Zenion]

Fun how they push the not completed objectives to the next day, isn't it? ^^;

Almost wonder if it's even working as intended. I don't see a point in it aside from maybe being an extra punishment.

Well, considering this gets pointed out every time Vana'bout happens and it still works like that, I have to assume that yes, it is working as intended. And hey, you know what, it's a mechanic that does a great job... of completely stifling any spark of interest or enthusiasm for the event. If you get a bunch of stuff you can't get done, and then you know that that's going to be there tomorrow too, and now you're that far behind on plaudits, what motivation is there to give it a solid effort? Just decide what reward tier is worth it, go for exactly that many plaudits, and walk away from the whole situation.

[BobbinT]

Okay, so, on reading all that again, my question is, what does that have to do with Vana'bout? It's trivial to bypass the issue by just not choosing to do the quest in the worst way possible. It's not preventing you from getting other objectives. If this is making it difficult to earn plaudits, that is 100% on you.

It sounds like your concern is with the quest itself, and there's a whole other forum section where you can go offer up your feedback on that. I'm not sure what exactly you think can be done about it - what you're asking for would require chocobos to be faster, rental chocobo riding time to be longer, or zone geometry to be different, all of which seem like pretty big changes to make just for one quest that people are only doing however many times a year Vana'bout runs anyway.

Personally I don't mind with geometry challenge, nor needing to have faster chocobos. My main issues is having Windurst felt being mostly ignored for doing this particular quest, as if it was intentionally to make players hate if having anything related to Windurst.

Kinda strange for a Taru yourself, didn't felt inclined to defend your own nation community (despite one can just chose any other nations as their main), my Hume should be a Bastok native, but I chose Windurst as my starter, same as how I chose Gridania in FF14 as my main coz its similarities.

Ofc, the day I would get my hand on Chocobo Wand for example, would annex this issue personally, but still... (again no need to point out the optional crafter gearsets which already iterated on previous posts)

And finally, you asked why this related with Vana'bout? Well, being always included in every Vana'bout rounds seems already clear enough to unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) having players who might never learn much of their own geographies to get closer on the adventure landmarks, which again came back on how this kinda miss-fire the intention if gotten Windurst related as it would be near impossible to finish the quest, not without having timer buffs. I personally enjoyed this quest, reminds me back in 1.0 days where needing to navigate my way from Gridania through Black Shrouds which back then was more like a maze to even reach Uldah.

So yea, again the tldr is to considerate making Windurst more accessible for VB rounds, & not having players to recycles objectives because hating the near impossibility to do it.

[Alhanelem]

Fun how they push the not completed objectives to the next day, isn't it? ^^;

Well it did eventually change? so I guess that only happens once per objective.

And yeah, its probably working as intended, but that doesn't mean it's (always) a good thing.

[Mimiikyu]

This is about the worst decision Square Enix has made with Final Fantasy XI. I've been playing this game since North American Release on PS2 so I hope it's not understated how long I've been around to say this.

I still cannot wrap my head around how the very theme of Vana'Bout was to complete various ROE's and if successful enough was to increase our Monthly Campaigns by X amount of time. So... Now we'll be rewarded 3 more days of Campaign yet you limited our Campaigns this month by 2 weeks... so we could get 3 days?

Maybe I'm not understanding something? Explain it to me like I'm 5 years old please if that's the case.

Another thing that is extremely upsetting is the fact the way you set this up; it's as if you don't even know your own game. Prime Example, the ROE that you need to take 75k Damage during any Ambuscade. You know where everyone's head immediately went? Go in on Very Easy SOLO and sit there and tank hits over and over without trusts to make sure you're continually taking damage and healing yourself. With this said, Vana'bout as now become a waiting game sitting in Mhaura waiting extremely long queues... It's not fun, at all.

Know what I'd love to be doing instead? OTHER MONTHLY CAMPAIGNS!

At this point, I never want to see Vana'bout again. In all fairness if there's another month where Vana'bout takes priority over monthly campaigns and we only get them for 6 days, I'll be unsubscribing that month. Hopefully I don't find something more entertaining that takes up my time and I go on hiatus again.

[Alhanelem]

I like the spirit of vana'bout, but not the implementation. They should have kept a set of content campaigns going and based vanabout primarily around those campaigns, that way it's covering things players are naturally going to want to do. I get that they want everyone to be able to participate- but there's very few new players and such, we don't need things like tiger fang and flint stone quests as objectives.

At this point, I never want to see Vana'bout again. In all fairness if there's another month where Vana'bout takes priority over monthly campaigns and we only get them for 6 days, I'll be unsubscribing that month.

Personally though, I just do whatever content I need to do, I don't live or die by the periodic campaigns. Unless there's an exemplar campaign again lol. Aside from that, they're not that important to me, just a nice little bonus if I happen to be doing that content at the time- it has very little impact on how I play the game.

[Mimiikyu]

I like the spirit of vana'bout, but not the implementation. They should have kept a set of content campaigns going and based vanabout primarily around those campaigns, that way it's covering things players are naturally going to want to do. I get that they want everyone to be able to participate- but there's very few new players and such, we don't need things like tiger fang and flint stone quests as objectives.


Personally though, I just do whatever content I need to do, I don't live or die by the periodic campaigns. Unless there's an exemplar campaign again lol. Aside from that, they're not that important to me, just a nice little bonus if I happen to be doing that content at the time- it has very little impact on how I play the game.

yeah yeah yeah... we get it... you've made your point to every single person here about anything and everything, Mr. 10,895 Posts... Go play! lmao

[Zenion]

I still like the idea of Vana'bout too, but the execution is just so off-putting. I was delighted when I discovered that this round I could get enough points to collect my bronze tier rewards in one day, and then just ignore the event for the rest of its duration.

The problem comes down to choice and control; players like it, Vana'bout seizes it.

You will do today's objectives, because if you don't you will be locked out of tomorrow's.

You will log in for the four hour teaser period, or you are locked out of contention for the end-of-event title.

You will keep on top of the daily objectives, because missing just a day or two can snowball into missing the reward thresholds, rendering previous effort wasted.

You will do the fights we say you will, complete the quests we tell you to, fish for what we say you will fish for, because these are the demands set before you.

You will engage with Vana'bout, because we're taking away anything else you might have focused on during this time.

Vana'bout should be a guide, not a taskmaster. I love that it often highlights some kind of content that normally gets overlooked, but I hate that I'm then obligated to do spend my day on that content regardless of how awful, unpleasant, tedious, or personally distasteful it may be. Yes, fine, it's fair to expect people to go a little out of their way to engage with the event - though maybe a Limbus, Odyssey, or Sortie objective would fit in there with "oops all Ambuscade" - but a little bit of freedom to choose how and when would go a long way. I've said it before, probably here in this very thread: Lay out, say, ten choices for a given category, let players pick seven of those over the course of a week, and it will make the event so much more pleasant. Reducing the time crunch and giving a viable way to skip the very worst tasks while still putting a spotlight on content that's been largely forgotten - that's a Vana'bout I would engage in like I did round two.

[radar]

Vanabout is a great idea, and a log of coding went into it. With some changes to the objectives it would be great.

They just need to ask for feedback about what players would like for objectives.

Here is an idea for a fun objective, the chocobo racing game. The faster you finish the quest, the more points and make it a daily.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/A_Choco...ame_(Windurst))

the objectives today:

"clear an ambuscade" (causes congestion)
"Heal 300 dmg in ambuscade" (causes congestion)
"deal 500 fire dmg in ambuscade" (causes congestion)
"don't die in ambuscade" (above)
"complete ambu on normal or higher'" (..)
"i'm on a boat" (fishing, 15 fish)
"weekly routine" escort for hire etc quests, (this one is ok but they are single completion and many have alts or want to group up, the quest should group complete)
"emptiness" (this is far too much effort, for 50pl)
"Ballista" (this one is good, but the signup for ballista is super annoying and takes too long, make ballista easier to signup for..)
"total damage ambuscade" (congestion)
"obtain hallmarks" (again.)
"damage received in ambuscade" (congestion, adn this one is worse cause most people will just sit in a VE and let the monster hit them for 10 mins)

[Alhanelem]

yeah yeah yeah... we get it... you've made your point to every single person here about anything and everything, Mr. 10,895 Posts... Go play! lmao

Man you sure got up on the wrong side of the bed today LOL