ok i didnt understand something about thief

[Dihlyte]

So you're still putting words into my mouth, got it. Stop with the personal attacks then.

What part of that statement references TH14, TH8, TH+5 or anything about the cap? It doesn't. You are making up information that isn't there. Camate's quote does not say that the upgrade rate bypasses the cap or even mention the cap.

You are almost certainly wrong. I can't tell you to stop lying to people until you have some kind of testing data, but I can provide links to the data that likely proves you wrong. You want me to stop saying that TH+5 is the most you need? Give me some data and I'll edit every post about the topic to remove anything that's proven or strongly suggests that it's wrong. A quote from a community rep is not data. Show me numbers. You're trying to assert something, the burden of proof is on you, especially when there's data to prove you otherwise and you're the only person who claims the data is wrong.

If you want to TP in TH+26 (why stop at 14? nothing says that's the cap) or whatever, go for it, but if I see people asking this question, I'm always going to link to the actual, factual data.

I will admit that I was wrong about one thing. I said that equipping TH+5 requires at least 2 pieces of gear. That was wrong, TH+5 can be obtained in a single piece, Skulker's poulaines +3.

I quoted you exactly.

I already gave you data.

There is more data across the internet, further details about how TH works via the SE representative, and other sources that clearly indicate anything below TH14 reduces the proc rate.

You and anyone else are welcome to ignore that data, and focus on some random post, by some random player who did not provide any actual proof they performed these tests in-game at all, or even so much has a character on FFXI retail, for all I know the person you're quoting is you yourself.

I personally will choose to trust Square-Enix, and the data within the game, and my proven experience in meeble burrows over other players.

I already said I got over 10 pulse weapons in meeble burrows, and everyone on the internet says Urmahlullu is the best way.

I've done roughly 350 Urmahlullu, without THF cause THF doesnt affect his drop rates, and with THF, just for the fact I just needed to do something different cause the drop rate is just so low, and wanted to at least pretend something was happening. I have proven to myself, that Urmahlullu is not the best way, not even close. Its just an easy quick fight, which does not equate to drop rates.

I have seen 2 pulse weapons from Urmahlullu, which makes sense, because it is a 1% drop rate or something very low.

As for Meeble burrows, it is a similar low drop rate, but the boss is proc-able, and because of that, you can raise TH to TH14, which I do efficiently with my TH14 THF, to obtain the drop numerous times.

I have done significantly fewer Meeble burrows than Urmahlullu, probably 200 at most.

Here is your data, I shouldnt have spent the time to do this, as you said the burden is on you, not me.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Dreyruk

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Treasure_Hunter





Very Rare is 1-7% per this chart, procing to TH 14 gives Gusterion a new 10%-20% drop rate.

10 / 200 = 5%

My first probably 50-100 runs were when I was not master THF without TH14, but I included those runs.

I typically get a Pulse to drop once out of 10-20 clears.

Although admittedly my most recent attempt has taken 30 clears no drop. I got my most recent pulse, the second drop I saw from Urmahlullu.

But I already know you're not going to take my word for it, because you've clearly chosen to prefer that other data, that does not play THF properly, which is perfectly fine. This conversation is over.

Have a good day.

[BobbinT]

Glad you did. Basically on my end being also using THF quite alot, if it's not 100%, even if it's 99.9%, then RNG still can screw big time, just like how a 98 roll can still be screwed with a 99.
Someone told me in the past that probabilistic meant little to none for individuals, the graphical presentation just to demonstrate the chances overall, but in the end it's all on player's luck.

[Catmato]

I quoted you exactly.

I already gave you data.

No you didn't. You are lying. You are also implying that I don't believe in treasure hunter for some reason? Or that i don't think increased treasure hunter level increase drop rates? No idea where you got that from. Also, your or anyone else's drop rates have literally nothing to do with this conversation. We were talking about TH upgrade proc rates, not drop rates. Your chart refers to the level of TH applied to the mob; of course higher TH levels are going to increase drop rates, that's the whole point, I was never arguing against that.

You're right, the conversation IS over because you've apparently having some other conversation with somebody else this entire time.

[radar]

The whole argument is if wearing more TH boosts the proc rate of +1 enough to warrant doing it, and if it was provable you would do 100 tests with and 100 tests without and show it. From my experience I noticed near no difference. Considering almost all +1 are going to be from SA/TA it's pretty easy to notice a big difference.

ok i tested it in 1 minute of dynamis jueno with th14 i got 2 100 pieces and 3 sparkling stones. then i continued to get the TE and proc almost every mob i used aeolian edge or solo attacked with th14, i put the th14 in my aeolian edge set with volte gear. So you are both right for two totally different reasons. First there is better proc with 14, and u will get rarer drops but u get less of the common ones. and th8 u get more common and less rare. so that solves that.

No.