Feedback related to Vana'Bout

[ManaKing]

I disagree, alliance content doesn't really foster community the way you think it does, it just frustrates people who don't have friends

Yeah they don't incentivize partying up with strangers anymore. Old exp parties were just shouts where you wanted a party because everyone benefitted vs soloing. We don't need any daily event where everyone is just spamming solo queue for whatever content they pick and making it miserable for everyone. If you make this event target casual alliance content and then add extra rewards for including more people, then you incentivize people to party up with strangers and go back to having a social community. I'm not saying everyone is going to be best buddies, but if people have reasons to use the extra communication channels they added for something other than RMT spam, then Vana'Bout would immediately be a positive change to the game and it's community.

Edit: We definitely don't have to continue any discussion that doesn't provide feedback for Vana'Bout. Let's keep it relevant since they are asking for feedback.

[Gwydion]

Please go back and like my post: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/t...l=1#post658082

We need to stress to SE that the Vanabout rewards provided are extremely low-value items, that are easily obtainable elsewhere (such as similar costume items and furnishing come from as little as 100 login points!).

We need group RoE objectives, better rewards and insight into the next month's campaign schedule that we are working so hard to augment!

[Khajit]

I've been informed that the event is similar to the mog tomes events of FFXIV. If it was derived from a similar place, adding the daily restrictions was unneeded and plaudits being a personal item drop (stackable to 99) turned in to the moogle would have been slightly less clunky even with inventory space woes some characters have. XI does not need daily checklists to maintain player interest. It is not a mobile game. We are often content to engage in a specific adventure in bursts until we get bored instead of becoming actively bored by having to do the same adventure every day. We can't get multiple rewards from the event anyway, so whether the event is done immediately or slowly over the course of the Vanabout does not matter so long as we are the ones choosing whether or not we do so.

If weekend congestion truly is a major problem, then breaking up the objective events to be specific during that week to the player's Unity NPC might be a workaround although it will be skewed towards the unity healer npcs for those without Monberaux. Deeds being a reward lessens that worry significantly.
Examples
Unity npc Team Aht Urghan vs Unity team Windurst vanabout round 1 to make it a Vanabout between unity NPC teams.

Unity team Aprururu vs Yoran-Oran Vanabout. Apruru (UC) players have a different adventure from the current campaigns than Yoran-Oran (UC) Various other Unity NPCs pick a side they want to represent to split the objectives in two.

Nashmeira vs Shantotto to depict their "rivalry" during Aht urghan missions. (reward players with a unity trust version of the winner or upgrade their trust AI/capabilities similar to the Moogle Mastery trust upgrades in Odyssey if one wins? (One tier of a player's moogle mastery accessible outside of Sheol per win?) Do both if maximum goals are reached?)

Ovjang vs King of Hearts (Similar upgrades to trust parameters to be more in line with the more popular stronger trusts)
These rivalries serve to maintain interest in those wanting a specific character to win after they have completed all of their personal objectives from vanabout.

[Kahla]

Really interesting idea. I think the concept of it is great but I do think it needs to be a little tweaked. I wish the dailies were actually different everyday. I've just been doing the exact same strategy every day 3 times in a row to complete all. Last 2 are just aiming to get clear in under 5 minutes for progress towards monthly. More variety would be nice so I could utilize more jobs I've geared and be able to use.

Understandable that you didn't do this but at the same time it was a little upsetting... I would of really liked to been able to spend all the points that I acquired instead of it just being one selection from each rank. I had my hopes up I'd be able to get multiple Mog Pells and get the Pupil's Attire set that I keep missing out with login points but.. I can only get one piece

Otherwise, like to see how it finished out! See you at the finish line!

[Sp1cyryan]

Greeting adventurers,

We'd like to hear about your experiences with Vana'Bout! We’ll be sharing this information with the Development team for their consideration.

1. What do you like or dislike about the latest Vana'Bout event?
2. How do you feel about the objectives and their difficulty?
3. What changes, if any, would you like for future iterations of Vana'Bout?

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Thank you for taking feedback, but also please take much of it with a grain of salt.

At any rate, the concept is good for the event. But the implementation leaves a bit to be desired. Due to the current structure of content and player power there is a lack of venues to direct players towards as they walk all over most things. This leaves options such as engaging in semi-irrelevant content like Incursion or Skirmish. While that is something, it can't carry the event and still makes clear system bottlenecks like with Ambuscade if it is the focus.
What would be nice though are the RoE objectives from TVR missions. Add some comparably more powerful NMs around the world like that just for VanaBout. The existing Peculiar Footprint RoE NMs would be too weak for this event.

Granting exemplar points in general is a fine rewards in lieu of more item rewards too. Personally, I prefer Exemplar Points as the reward for interacting with the world. Item rewards like Beitetsu are everywhere, and most materials you could provide are saturated or better earned elsewhere.

[Alhanelem]

Unless you have 7 people. Alliance content doesn't necessarily mean a full alliance, as the second option in your first quote suggests.

If you have seven people, find five more. Alliance content *should* either necessitate or at least encourage the participation of all involved- That's not what happens in practice. The very minimum needed to achieve the goal participate and the rest leech. I'm not really sure how this is inclusive in any way other than "hey look more drops."

That aside....

Edit: We definitely don't have to continue any discussion that doesn't provide feedback for Vana'Bout. Let's keep it relevant since they are asking for feedback.

I am providing feedback for Vanabout. I don't want to see any Alliance content as an objective for Vana'Bout, and I explained why. To add to that, alliance content is easier to participate in on some servers compared to others, so it's not a good fit for this event which is designed to be done by everyone across all servers big and small.
Also, you aren't a forum moderator, so please don't backseat mod. If they decide something isn't relevant they can/will delete it and I will have no problem with that. What is and isn't relevant is for them to decide.

And in general I don't think they want to use anything people really have to jump through hoops for to get at least some credit- that's why they chose Ambuscade, which can be entered solo or with a group, and included many trivial objectives and a few that require a bit more effort.

I'll make an exception for Omen since you can enter that solo and still do a lot, although it does require total RoV completion, so I'd probably still prefer contents that don't have a lot of requirements for the sake of newer players.

Other good options for VB because any number can participate: Reives, Campaign, Stuff involving the Escha areas, Geas Fete (or whatever its called), Domain Invasion; I'll add more to this later.

Content that requires a minimum number of participants greater than 1 is not ideal.

[Alhanelem]

Thank you for taking feedback, but also please take much of it with a grain of salt.

At any rate, the concept is good for the event. But the implementation leaves a bit to be desired. Due to the current structure of content and player power there is a lack of venues to direct players towards as they walk all over most things. This leaves options such as engaging in semi-irrelevant content like Incursion or Skirmish. While that is something, it can't carry the event and still makes clear system bottlenecks like with Ambuscade if it is the focus.
What would be nice though are the RoE objectives from TVR missions. Add some comparably more powerful NMs around the world like that just for VanaBout. The existing Peculiar Footprint RoE NMs would be too weak for this event.

Granting exemplar points in general is a fine rewards in lieu of more item rewards too. Personally, I prefer Exemplar Points as the reward for interacting with the world. Item rewards like Beitetsu are everywhere, and most materials you could provide are saturated or better earned elsewhere.

I don't think objectives like this should feature powerful NMs. This is an event that everyone across every server is meant to work towards, so they should avoid more demanding contents.

I agree that Exemplar points (and Job points) are acceptable as rewards, but for something that takes a month (?) , the current rewards are pretty small. There should be other rewards as well for people who may not need these things so much.

[Sp1cyryan]

I don't think objectives like this should feature powerful NMs. This is an event that everyone across every server is meant to work towards, so they should avoid more demanding contents.

I agree that Exemplar points (and Job points) are acceptable as rewards, but for something that takes a month (?) , the current rewards are pretty small. There should be other rewards as well for people who may not need these things so much.

Group NMs. You know like people have been doing in Abyssea, Voidwatch, Skirmish, Delve, SR, Incursion, Omen, Ambuscade, Odyssey, and Sortie for the last 15 years. Things in the field at a spawn point have less of a continuous bottleneck than the actual aforementioned content does. It is also more meaningful than doing completely irrelevant content like the original Skirmish designed for pre-iLvl. Not only can the server not handle a global Ambuscade event, but it's not engaging players outside of their normal routine.

[Dihlyte]

What do you like or dislike about the latest Vana'Bout event?

This has mostly been covered already, but summary:

-The choice in content is poor (we already do lots of Ambuscade.)
-The rewards are not good, except for 100 deeds and darkmatter.
-I like the idea of the community aiming for a similar goal.

How do you feel about the objectives and their difficulty?

The objective should not be ambuscade.
The difficulty is fine, but all objectives should encourage party efforts to encourage grouping up, but can be accomplished solo as well.
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What changes, if any, would you like for future iterations of Vana'Bout?

I would change the content to being open world.

"Kill 3 enemies in Konschtat Highlands."
or
"Defeat 3 enemies in Voidwatch"

FFXI has a lot of content, players do not want to do the things they already do, even more, but inefficiently.

I would also create more meaningful rewards.
-100 Deeds
-Dark Matter
(These should be kept.)

(Some suggestions)
-Escha Beads
-Potpourri
-Domain Points
-Bayld
-Mog Segments
-Gallimaufry
-Voidstones
-Traverser Stones
-Mweya Plasm
-Etched Memories
-NM Pop items (Gaes Fete, etc.)

(other rewards locked to "3 or more party member" type content.)

[Uroah]

Going to give you the only feedback you need. For anything you can defer to this.

To get people to do "anything";

The reward needs to be good. It's really that easy. The gold tier rewards are junk. If 100 deeds weren't in silver, the results would've been even worse than they're going to be.