So, uh, what did I miss these last 11 years?

[Alhanelem]

They mentioned it, you were the only one that had to go into it and derail like always lol

No, you derail it by complaining about people posting. You want a normal thread with normal discussion? Then stop name dropping me/us and just say your opinion and leave it at that. If you think you're the better man, then BE the better man and don't stir the pot.

[Alhanelem]

I do have a bias against anything I see as hurting 11, I don't like that CB3 made it because I know how they operate and I know it's hurting 11 and 14

You don't know how they operate, you can't glean that from annual budget reports.

FFXVI isn't going to hurt 11. gimme a goddsdanged break. You're writing it off with absolutely no basis other than "it will hurt 11 if it fails and i think it will fail."

You have nothing whatsoever to base your view on other than "I don't like it.' It's circular reasoning.

Eventually, no matter what happens, even if SE takes in a trillion dollars, FFXI will be gone simply because no one is playing it. You need to come to grips with the fact that nothing lasts forever, even your favorite MMO and stop blaming everything else in the universe for that fact. I love FFXI, but it still isn't the holy grail of gaming. It isn't perfect and you need to stop pretending that it is and that every other game out there did or is doing everything wrong.

You just come off as a white knight, and people don't like white knights. I know, because for years I was branded a white knight and I can tell you it's not a badge of honor.

[Immortal]

No, you derail it by complaining about people posting. You want a normal thread with normal discussion? Then stop name dropping me/us and just say your opinion and leave it at that. If you think you're the better man, then BE the better man and don't stir the pot.

Your buddy is the one who stirred the pot first, he called Pixela out for mentioning/discussing XIV when you were the one doing it first.

[Alhanelem]

Your buddy is the one who stirred the pot first, he called Pixela out for mentioning/discussing XIV when you were the one doing it first.

The more finger pointing is done, the worse it looks. It would be better for everyone if you just stopped responding to this line of discussion at the very least until a new thread or discussion.

[Pixela]

I'm defensive about ff11 the way you're defensive about ff14, anyone says anything remotely negative and you're there defending it and have done so numerous times this week alone. So don't come at me with that white knight nonsense cause you're sitting in a million pane glasshouse.

We know how Square operate (or to be more accurate Buisness unit 3) because they have stated it and seen it numerous times, they even said that 11 was starved during the creation of 14 and they had to outsource a lot of the work (yoshiP has said "it's all hands on deck when a new project is being worked on" too). Because they are working on 16 every other product starved. Ff14 has been starved for years (and will continue to be for many more years cause they still need to make the pc version) and so has 11, there is no slack for anything else when they are are working on a new project and this is a massive thing for YoshiP here. If 16 fails it will be a huge dent to his pride, of course he is putting everything in 16 and starving everything else to do it. This is his first test as a producer after everyone has built him up.

If the board of directors allowing BD3 to work on other games (WHEN THEY WERE MADE TO JUST WORK ON and update MMORPGS) is successful they are going to keep doing that, and 11 and 14 will be starved on the regular, how would they not do that again if it works?

To use an example, if you pay someone to look after your garden and he makes your garden look like a million dollars cause it's his entire job. Then you ask him to also look after your car, and when you come out you give him a $20 tip cause the car looks nice. Guess what happens to the garden? It's not gonna be looking so good anymore, cause he has to do more and has less time for the garden and in-fact knows now that you will tip him more if he makes the car look better and won't if the garden is 100%

As for eventually everything ends. Nobody cares about eventually, eventually you and I will be dead. So who cares? The point is to make something last as long as people care about them and a lot of people still care about 11. 11 is more successful than many f2p games, that it has as many players as it does with a sub when it's a ps2 game should tell you how good it is.

[Alhanelem]

I'm defensive about ff11 the way you're defensive about ff14,

I don't worship FFXIV, nor FFXI. I respect both games as games and the people who made them put their heart and soul into them in both cases. I only defend either against baseless remarks like yours. I never said you had to like it, but you constantly bash FFXIV (and FFXVI and whatever else) with no real basis. You simply resent their existence and don't have any other rational justification for it. I'm not even that active in FFXIV these days, outside of certain specific contents I still enjoy. There is as much I don't like as I do. But I can judge it fairly, whereas you can not, because your views are tainted by your resentment.

I'm much more willing to listen to arguments rooted in logic than those rooted in the bias you have straight up admitted to.

Again, I remind you: Nothing lasts forever, and FFXI has lasted far longer than most other MMOs that came both before and after it. You should really focus on celebrating how far your favorite game has come rather than bemoaning everything that has come since. Only EverQuest and Ultima Online (that I know of) can claim more longevity unless there's some obscure text based MUD that's still operating today.

[Pixela]

No I don't actually, I didn't even mention 14 in this thread until you did. Anytime anyone says anything about 14 you don't like, you're there like batman.

I've said numerous times I know 14 carries a lot of the costs of 11 now and a lot of new players come from there too and I try to be less negative about it in unfair ways because the games are interlinked. I still think the game is fundamentally awful though as an mmorpg, it's basically second life at this point and you know it is.

I do have a problem with 16 though, because it should of never been allocated to the mmorpg division in the first place and that it was is because the higher ups knew they could offer 11 and 14 players less and we would just put up with it and keep paying and they could potentially make a billion free dollars off a new single player game and all our sub money still too.

Here is the future

If ff16 bombs, 14 will get an expansion announcement within a year. More work will be put into 11 and they will probably bring out lots more 14 cash shop items to offset the massive losses for next financial report. They will know they have to increase revenue in their other operations hard and fast.

If ff16 succeeds, they will make more single player games and 14 and 11 will continue to be starved.

Are you honestly telling me that's not how it would work? Unless you're simple or lying you know that is how this is going to play out.

Nothing lasts forever

Why do you keep saying this when I already said I don't care? I only care if something is there for the people that care about it, when ff11 players are gone why would I care if 11 still exists or not? I don't care if the super intelligent roosters that take over the earth in 1k years can play 11.

[Alhanelem]

Why do you keep saying this when I already said I don't care?

The game will almost certainly be gone before all of its players.

If ff16 bombs, 14 will get an expansion announcement within a year.

FFXIV is already getting an expansion announcement within a year regardless of what happens with FFXVI. Maybe you're not aware but the Fan Festival is coming up and that's when they will announce it. But it has been in development since the last expansion launched. It's not even a secret. FFXIV's next expansion is not contingent on FFXVI's success, at all, whatsoever, period.

FFXVI will have little bearing on either FFXI or FFXIV's future. You really shouldn't worry about it whatsoever. It would have to bomb on a worse scale than FFXIV 1.0 did (and it's hard to bomb worse than that) for it to matter at all. It's not even an MMO and can't directly compete with either MMO for players. I really don't see why you're so concerned about this.

[Pixela]

The game will almost certainly be gone before all of its players.

Source?!

FFXIV is already getting an expansion announcement within a year regardless of what happens with FFXVI. Maybe you're not aware but the Fan Festival is coming up and that's when they will announce it. But it has been in development since the last expansion launched. It's not even a secret. FFXIV's next expansion is not contingent on FFXVI's success, at all, whatsoever, period.

FFXVI will have little bearing on either FFXI or FFXIV's future. You really shouldn't worry about it whatsoever. It would have to bomb on a worse scale than FFXIV 1.0 did (and it's hard to bomb worse than that) for it to matter at all. It's not even an MMO and can't directly compete with either MMO for players. I really don't see why you're so concerned about this.

ff16 is already performing poorly in terms of interest and pre-orders, there is near no hype for it at all

So makes sense.

I love how you pretend the same number of people can do twice as much work and it wont' have any impact.

[Pixela]

Anyway lets leave it at that, literally as off-topic as possible.

It's not so bad in other threads but this is a topic OP made for help with the game.