20th Vanaversary Reddit AMA

[Alhanelem]

Basically then no matter what the outcome you "maybe" weren't going to ever support it?

I suppose it might be entertaining to read at some point. But I can't say I'm in a big hurry.

Maybe you didn't like the real AMA. But I thiought it was "okay", and probably better than the last one they did, low a bar as that may be.

[Alhanelem]

Will we ever see the thing posted here, I wonder. (I don't like going to reddit.)

You don't have to have an account to read it. The official AMA thread does not have any user comments in between, it is only the questions and answers, so no trolling or silliness.

But they will probably repost it elsewhere at some point.

[Sp1cyryan]

(I don't like going to reddit.)

Yet somehow being the only editor on the entire site of GE is okay?

[Pixela]

The AMA and the 5 hour stream were both PR disasters, even JP players are mad if you check 2ch. Wtf is the point doing an AMA if you have no positive news to tell and every answer is no. Why would you even waste your time doing that? It's almost as if they are trying to kill the game at this point.

What they need to do is throw a bone, and reconsider adding an exciting new zone at the end of TVR and tell us that now. If they do that minimal thing, they can turn around a lot of the damage they just did in the minds of their audience.

Sadly they are so set in their ways, they will probably just do nothing and retreat back into their shell.

[Sp1cyryan]

The AMA and the 5 hour stream were both PR disasters, even JP players are mad if you check 2ch. Wtf is the point doing an AMA if you have no positive news to tell and every answer is no. Why would you even waste your time doing that? It's almost as if they are trying to kill the game at this point.

What they need to do is throw a bone, and reconsider adding an exciting new zone at the end of TVR and tell us that now. If they do that minimal thing, they can turn around a lot of the damage they just did in the minds of their audience.

Sadly they are so set in their ways, they will probably just do nothing and retreat back into their shell.

They aren't trying to kill the game. The best question asked was what they would do with an unlimited budget. It shows that they do care. It is corporate bureaucracy that has the game hamstrung as they run anything out of the XIV team. The game is likely a discretionary footnote because (hyperbole incoming) some old capitalist practicing kyudogi in the back of SE's HQ doesn't see the potential return on investment.

[Alhanelem]

The AMA and the 5 hour stream were both PR disasters, even JP players are mad if you check 2ch.

citation needed

I mean, I won't say I was impressed or anything, but "PR disaster?" come on lol. This AMA was far better than the last one, even if that really isn't saying much.

They aren't trying to kill the game. The best question asked was what they would do with an unlimited budget. It shows that they do care. It is corporate bureaucracy that has the game hamstrung

This. But to clarify, Naoki Yoshida, Producer/Director on FFXIV and also the head of the SE business unit that controls both MMOs at one point actually saved the game from potentially coming to an end. He doesn't want to see that happen either, but even as the head of the business unit, he still has to convince the corporate executives that investing more in it is a good idea. And that's probably just too hard of a sell.

Note also they seemed warmer to the idea of a combined subscription than they have previously. So maybe that will happen at some point.

[Dragoy]

Yet somehow being the only editor on the entire site of GE is okay?

I forgot I actually posted that thought... oopsies.

It's just that I don't like the Reddit UI and such... at all... similar to how I can't deal with wikia/fandom at all.

But yeah, I guess it might seem a little silly for me to work on GE, but it is the most comfortable option available for me at this time. The other options have other issues, or maybe it's me having issues with them. Next best one would be a local instance, which I could do because I do run mediawiki servers locally for testing purposes...

You don't have to have an account to read it. The official AMA thread does not have any user comments in between, it is only the questions and answers, so no trolling or silliness.

Yeah, I just rather not go there at all. I don't like the way they do the site in general, similar to wikia/fandom...

[Pixela]

Note also they seemed warmer to the idea of a combined subscription than they have previously. So maybe that will happen at some point.

And on that day, FFXI dies because all new content will have ceased.

[Alhanelem]

And on that day, FFXI dies because all new content will have ceased.

There is zero correlation between making an offer like this and stopping content. Look we spent a whole th read establishing your misguided reasons for thinking a 2 game subscription discount is bad. We know already, but this is an even more ridiculous leap than your previous statements.

Money from an existing customer to play another game, even if it's less money, is still more money than they had before. Retail establishments online and otherwise have sales and discounts of various sorts all the time. Getting a new person through the door (or in FFXI's case, even someone who played once upon a time)

SE getting a dollar or two less from a few people who would not have played the game otherwise is still more money that they would not have gotten at all otherwise. This concept seems to be alien to you, as does SE's profit margin on a subscription fee, which likely far greater than you think. SE can absolutely afford earining a couple dollars less than the full sub price from a bunch of people who are *already* giving them $13-15 a month excluding extra services. Plus those people could also buy the mog wardrobes later and that really costs them nothing so that already makes up for it.

Maybe you're not aware of this but there are plenty of people who play FFXI who have been paying a discounted sub fee since the beginning. Oddly enough, SE hasn't stopped content for that game despite offering a significant discount to thousands of players for the last 8 years. You might also be forgetting all the people who currently play FFXI and whom have no interest in FFXIV, whom will still be paying full price subs, and given the game has been running for years in its current state, that is clearly enough to keep the game running with updates as usual, regardless of the number of FFXIV players that would take SE up on such an offer.

And as far as the other possible meaning of your post, "They'll only do this when they stop updating the game," Well, everyone would probably be getting a discount at that point. So that would be meaningless.

[Pixela]

If they stop content additions they better reduce the sub for everyone.