whats going to happen to PLD

[Andylynn]

If anyone has a right to complain, look at SAM and DRK =/.

Rng fits in the same category as drg, nasty DD but not useful for much else. SAM really hit it hard after Abyssea more that RNG, seeing as Fudo is laughable on high def targets, and lacks a crit skill to make up for that. Refulgent and Sidewinder are still beastly in their own right, and Jishnu's/Wildfire are amazing.

[Vortex]

As far as the DD aspect of PLD goes, One with an Almace does very good damage and can hold thier own, i watched a PLD with one always doing 2-5k+ altho almace in an empyean weapon, it did help plds a great ton in keeping hate.

[rog]

You sound like those RNGs swearing up and down the class is still top tier.

My rng could have kicked your ass at 75.

Go go 5-10 secs per slug shot.

[Zumi]

You can still be a PLD main get good gear atmas skill up your weapons for blues and red !!, PLD actually can use a lot of weapons for red, sword, great sword, staff, club, polearm. If you actually get good gear for PLD you will probably still outdamage 90% of the bad wars, mnks, nins ect. Will you be as good as someone that is good at their class probably not but still better then nothing.

[Sparthos]

You have to accept your limits. PLD is a job that tanks through being at hate cap while others hold back and avoid reaching it. WHM is a job curing while it has MP. A PLD that can tank through hate cap of DD, is as dumb as a WHM that can cure without MP. Restrictions are there to make you think about how you play and add "difficulty".

Inside or outside Abyssea PLD is underwater in an age where DD actually know how to gear for DMG and use defensive tools. Hold back all you want, DD will reach the hate cap and they'll be tanking unless you have them kill themselves.

PLD is fine. What is less fine is how well a WAR deals damage while surviving attacks with a WHM healer. WAR should be able to tank of course, being the second best armored job in the game, but it shouldn't be able to do as much damage while doing so. This is the balance issue. Not if PLD can hold hate, but how much damage melee can do and receive at once.

DD: Improvements
Healing: Improvements
Support: Improvements
PLD: Stagnation

If stagnation is fine to you, so be it. Armor = tanking? This is the game where "cloth" classes like MNK, BLU and RDM have all seen their turns in the tanking seat.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to say that WAR is wholly broken. I'd even say WHM is wholly broken, even though most people are incapable of understanding how anything can be unbalanced if they don't do massive damage. But PLD? It is right where it should be. Just a shame it is there while other jobs are under or overpowered, making it LOOK bad.

Nonsense. All of Abyssea is overpowered and yeah, some jobs have suffered from it but that isn't PLD.

PLD has problems inside AND outside Abyssea. The jobs fundamental purpose has always been threatened - be that from NINs, then NIN/DRKs, then RDM/NINs to todays DD.

People have gotten smarter investing in PDT/MDT sets and realizing that hey, you don't need a PLD for much and even if you HAD the PLD it'd make no difference as they'd probably be oneshotted too if said monster is that difficult.

Oshit buttons can be useful but when that's your only reason to bring a PLD, the jobs in trouble.

[Greatguardian]

You can still be a PLD main get good gear atmas skill up your weapons for blues and red !!, PLD actually can use a lot of weapons for red, sword, great sword, staff, club, polearm. If you actually get good gear for PLD you will probably still outdamage 90% of the bad wars, mnks, nins ect. Will you be as good as someone that is good at their class probably not but still better then nothing.

PLD red procs are useless. If you're using a PLD to Red, you obviously don't have a WAR there. If you don't have a WAR there, you need at least a NIN and a DRK along with your PLD to cover all 13 WS (which is the whole point, isn't it?). Having to use a PLD and a DRK put together instead of just getting a single WAR is an absolute waste, especially when that one WAR would probably outdamage both the DRK and PLD combined.

[Avarice]

That all sounds more like personal bias then a game problem. I for one, especialy as a WHM, like having PLDs around.

Be a better White Mage.

[rog]

especially when that one WAR would probably outdamage both the DRK and PLD combined.

I dunno, it'd be close.

[Malamasala]

PLD has problems inside AND outside Abyssea. The jobs fundamental purpose has always been threatened - be that from NINs, then NIN/DRKs, then RDM/NINs to todays DD.

You do know the game is supposed to have 3-5 jobs worthy of being called tanks, right? There is no exclusive PLD club that are the only tank jobs. If you want to blame anyone, it is the players for not using all tank jobs, but only the best ones. And expecting SE to every single update make the "not best" tank into "best tank" with an update is ridiculous.

And I'm still confused why so many PLDs complain but so few SMNs. PLDs are useless if other jobs steal hate, because they can't tank. SMNs are useless if people steal hate and tank, because it means being hate free and doing low damage has zero benefits over doing massive damage and just tanking.

My assumption is that all SMNs are so used to being overlooked and ignored that we just shrug it off. But you old "popular" PLDs who have been in the spot light as best tanks ever, are just yapping about it to get back. Really, you aren't worse off than SMNs have been the entire FFXI life span.

Until I've seen you live as PLD/WHM main healers 4 years, you'll get no sympathy from me. You are still far away from bottom of the barrel where I've lived for a decade.

[Kingofgeeks]

i'd still rather a pld that can hold hate and take a hit a lot more than a job that gets slapped once their shadows are gone