whats going to happen to PLD

[Fiarlia]

No one said pld can't be impressive. The argument here is that other jobs are better.

Exactly this. I don't care if you enjoy PLD and your pt lets you bring it, by all means, have fun, it is a game after all. But don't kid yourself by trying to say that it's worth a damn in utility and usefulness when compared to other jobs.

I mean, I highly enjoy RDM, SCH and SMN, and love going on those jobs when I'm able (especially SCH, sooooooooooo much fun), but I know full well of the drawbacks, and I never try to convince anyone otherwise.

[Alhanelem]

pld will be removed from the game.

[Zumi]

All the complaining about Paladins reminds me of the WoW forums people nonstop complain how Blizzard is nerfing Paladins ect.

[blowfin]

No one said pld can't be impressive. The argument here is that other jobs are better.

If you are operating on a best case, on paper scenario, then sure. PLD does seem to be able to cover several roles without the person changing jobs 5 times though, which is not really something you can evaluate with parsers or maths as to which is more useful. If you can instantly swap out all your gear, atmas, buffs, and warp to and from jeuno in the space of a millisecond then other jobs end up `better`, i`ll grant that. As far as overall utility goes though, depending on your group and situation of course, it seems PLD can be more useful than some of the jobs seen as optimal. At least from what I`ve seen, and the people in my shell know their stuff better than most.

Exactly this. I don't care if you enjoy PLD and your pt lets you bring it, by all means, have fun, it is a game after all. But don't kid yourself by trying to say that it's worth a damn in utility and usefulness when compared to other jobs.

It`s not a case of anyone letting people bring PLD. It`s a case of it being the best choice in the situation.

Having said that, PLD`s role as a general purpose `tank` is completely shot at the moment. But then again, so is the overall concept of a `tank`. But we all knew that anyway.

[Sparthos]

Unless we get significantly difficult challenges where current DD-tank strategies wont work, PLD will always be the second-runner if not worse for battles. The reason why people used PLD often in the past was the fear that using a DD as a tank could wind in failure, leading to loss of a claim on an NM/HNM. Also, MP wasn't as abundant as it is now.

The job will need significant DD improvements (Chant was a start) in order to hold hate along with more tools for keeping the attention of a monster. Overall the game will need harder monsters to even justify some of the jobs currently in decline today - PLD included.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Seems like lately PLD has become, well useless in [A] zones can we get some love here SE?

Complainer PLDs complaining. This was one of the things that nearly ruined the game earlier. PLD has already gotten everything they ever wanted and more. If you're PLDs are being over looked, maybe you need to re-evaluate your gear and play style. It's still the top tank for most everything.

[Fiarlia]

It's still the top tank for most everything.

No it's not. >_>

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No it's not. >_>

Play PLD better then. lol

[Greatguardian]

Play PLD better then. lol

Play better, then. Wasting a spot on a PLD is wasting a spot. If a Mnk, Nin, War, Thf, Pup, or Drg is dying to some NM or is unable to keep hate, look at the DD. Then look at the Whm. One of them is either gimp or a retard, probably both. All of those jobs do more damage than a PLD as well, and some offer significantly better proc'ing ability. I've already gone over why PLD Red procs are absolutely useless in another thread, but I don't mind repeating it if I have to.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Play better, then. Wasting a spot on a PLD is wasting a spot. If a Mnk, Nin, War, Thf, Pup, or Drg is dying to some NM or is unable to keep hate, look at the DD. Then look at the Whm. One of them is either gimp or a retard, probably both. All of those jobs do more damage than a PLD as well, and some offer significantly better proc'ing ability. I've already gone over why PLD Red procs are absolutely useless in another thread, but I don't mind repeating it if I have to.

That all sounds more like personal bias then a game problem. I for one, especialy as a WHM, like having PLDs around.