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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    It was done a very VERY long time ago before jobs like corsair even existed as a patch to area of effect spells being too powerful while similar weaponskills did virtually no damage anyway and avatar bloodpacts that did similar damage were locked behind Astral Flow.
    It is worth noting that in many cases, even FFXIV nerfs AoE damage the more targets that are hit, to prevent overall DPS from becoming too outrageous. Even with this though, most people go through content like dungeons spamming AoEs unless there aren't enough enemies for it to be more efficient.

    Which is how it should be. If there are more than X targets, use AOE, if there are fewer than X targets, use single target. But in FFXI, AoEs usually do more than single target spells on a single target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    It is worth noting that in many cases, even FFXIV nerfs AoE damage the more targets that are hit, to prevent overall DPS from becoming too outrageous. Even with this though, most people go through content like dungeons spamming AoEs unless there aren't enough enemies for it to be more efficient.

    Which is how it should be. If there are more than X targets, use AOE, if there are fewer than X targets, use single target. But in FFXI, AoEs usually do more than single target spells on a single target.
    Do you not play the game anymore?

    When Dynamis Divergence Jeuno was added, they added an AOE nerf that applies to spawned targets from a blue statue. It has since been used for all targets in Domain Invasion when they changed it and added D.I. points and to everything in Odyssey.
    The reason is probably because things like Aeolian Edge, Cataclysm, BLU AOE, etc are not affected by MTDR so their damage was quite high.
    Now a BLM -ja will do 10% damage to the main target and 0.1% to the secondary targets in said events.

    It's SE's way of saying to not AOE in those events. I get that, but if they're going to take that route to let us AOE elsewhere while adding events that we either can or cannot AOE, I'd like MTDR to be removed since it no longer has a purpose. Unless you think the purpose is to say, "you're allowed to AoE, just not with Divine magic, Elemental magic, or Kaustra."

    i would agree with you if you said AoE should be weaker than single target in general. And if comparing all forms of damage, it is. if comparing blu spell vs blu spell ... they're some of the most potent I'm aware of.
    If comparing elemental nukes, if there's only one target for the AoE to hit, then it is more potent, but it's not worth casting the AoE if there's multiple (which is retarded).
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    Last edited by Voidstorm; 06-12-2021 at 05:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    It is worth noting that in many cases, even FFXIV nerfs AoE damage the more targets that are hit, to prevent overall DPS from becoming too outrageous. Even with this though, most people go through content like dungeons spamming AoEs unless there aren't enough enemies for it to be more efficient.

    Which is how it should be. If there are more than X targets, use AOE, if there are fewer than X targets, use single target. But in FFXI, AoEs usually do more than single target spells on a single target.
    This makes sense, there's been gatherings in events where we do Omen and someone would come as a BLU. The tank would pull the whole room, BLU does Entomb, and then Teneberal Crush to cleave everything that wasn't a Transcended Mob. It's done for the sake of squeezing three runs in a single linkshell gathering, if we get cards we do, if not, oh well.
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