PLEASE REMOVE OR LESSEN RESTRICTIONS ON GARDENING FOR NEW PLAYERS

[Alhanelem]

OMG read the damn links you are ignorant.

NO! you cannot handle the truth

It's quite obvious you're the one that's ignorant, since this is the only defense you seem to have to your argument.

I can handle the truth. You're not speaking the truth. It's the last time I'm going to say it, since you seem to be blind to the facts. Have a nice day.

It's also problematic that you depend on the stories of others, instead of actual data, to make your points. Quoting some random guy on the worst forum in the FFXI community who says he got banned for something stupid does not support your point. A lot of those stories are made up.

No one said SE is perfect, but wrongful bans are extremely rare.

[Rambus]

No one said SE is perfect, but wrongful bans are extremely rare.

read the links, NO! you are wrong.

guess what buddy, thats not all the cases ether.

you are in your own world

This is the biggest one:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=19095
http://www.1up.com/boards/posts/list/41865.page

http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/07...ends-out-bans/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...dening-in-FFXI
http://forums.g4tv.com/showthread.php?t=131377
http://gameguidexx.blogspot.com/2009...ix-banned.html
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/4179-got-banned-on-ffxi/
http://shamayaasura.livejournal.com/2009/01/23/

I went for a taru this time. Chaz, my friend I hate so much, gave me 100k to get started. He bought me a pair of astrals (you know, because taru have 50 HP to be giving up early on) and a couple pieces of noob gear. He probably spent 200k on gear. I'm in the game for 3 days, am told about Abyssea, purchase both expansions, and THEN I come home to being banned the next day for RMT activities.

http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic...-hate-friends/

Think SE mostly bans only RMT now????? you are blind or sheep or something to sound like SE is all perfect and mostly targets cheaters

There was a quite a number of people that end up stop playing because of that verified crap, then there was other issues where CC companies thought SE was doing fraudulent charges ( and i had my share of phone calls of that issue like some others reported in that thread cept some people end up being banned from it. The reason was the CC of some people just rejected all charges from SE after giving someone those extra charges and just banned the person)

stop spewing empty words and actually give proof, i find it funny I try to give evidence of my person dealings of the mass bans of 2009 posted links of others and you just sit there " it is not a lot of people because I was not effected or know anyone that was effected"

[Alhanelem]

read the links, NO! you are wrong.

guess what buddy, thats not all the cases ether.

you are in your own world

Don't need to read the links. 6 posts of people whining about being banned != a mass of bannings causing the decline of the game.

The end, good bye. (I find it funny that the text I quoted is different from what it was when I clicked the quote button- he edited it in the time it took me to click the button and have the page load)

[Rambus]

Don't need to read the links. 6 posts of people whining about being banned != a mass of bannings causing the decline of the game.

The end, good bye. (I find it funny that the text I quoted is different from what it was when I clicked the quote button- he edited it in the time it took me to click the button and have the page load)

Anyone else this blind??? " I do not need proof to state wrongfull information"

So what if I am editing? I had more to say and trying to make the post proper.

[Alhanelem]

Anyone else this blind??? " I do not need proof to state wrongfull information"

So what if I am editing? I had more to say and trying to make the post proper.

You edit every post you make like a dozen times at least. The last post, which I quoted, was a single line when i pressed the quote button. Then it was 3 lines, and now it's several paragraphs.

You have not given any proof, a bunch of links to people who got banned (I read some of them and in many cases I don't feel they were wrongfully banned)is not proof. The proof is in the numbers, which have already been given, are not lies or mistruths, and are all that is needed to prove you wrong.

This thread is totally off track, and I'm not posting in this thread again, so have fun talking to nobody. You're ignorelisted.

[Rambus]

You edit every post you make like a dozen times at least. The last post, which I quoted, was a single line when i pressed the quote button. Then it was 3 lines, and now it's several paragraphs.

You have not given any proof, a bunch of links to people who got banned (I read some of them and in many cases I don't feel they were wrongfully banned)is not proof. The proof is in the numbers, which have already been given, are not lies or mistruths, and are all that is needed to prove you wrong.

This thread is totally off track, and I'm not posting in this thread again, so have fun talking to nobody. You're ignorelisted.

It is not off track, my statements was to show SE does not know what truly goes on by putting in wronful countermeasures.

I had made my case, proved me case, shown and explained why gardening restrictions does not really affect RMT and harms players more then RMT.

Everything SE has done since the STF harmed real players more than RMT, I am here to state that, show personal experience to show that, and show others that had the same problems as me.
You cannot handle this truth and I am shocked you are this blind.

[Xophious]

Greetings everyone!

The thread has been closed due to it being derailed and off-topic. The original topic was about the restrictions of gardening to newer players. Now it's turned into an argument amongst players, discussing the bans that happened and how that killed, or did not kill the game. Please try to stay on-topic to the thread next time.

Thank you.