Unlocking SMN potential in abyssea.

[Korpg]

You know Myrkr is not a blue or red proc? and it is a perfectly good reason for SMN to melee?

Why would you get a Hvergelmir anyway? Unless BLM/SCH/SMN are you only jobs, there are much better emp weapons out there for you to get. Even if BLM/SCH/SMN are your only jobs, Fay Crozier is a better staff for SMN when it has -3 perp cost on it. Why? Because avatars are the actual damage dealers, not the summoner.

SMNs are like PUPs, the pets do the damage, the SMNs direct the damage.

Hell, if I had a Nirvana I would slap that on and spam the crap out of Garland of Bliss.

You don't need a Nirvana for Garland of Bliss, but I see why you would spam *any* weaponskills on it.

Nirvana > Hvergelmir always.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Why would you get a Hvergelmir anyway? Unless BLM/SCH/SMN are you only jobs, there are much better emp weapons out there for you to get. Even if BLM/SCH/SMN are your only jobs, Fay Crozier is a better staff for SMN when it has -3 perp cost on it. Why? Because avatars are the actual damage dealers, not the summoner.

SMNs are like PUPs, the pets do the damage, the SMNs direct the damage.



You don't need a Nirvana for Garland of Bliss, but I see why you would spam *any* weaponskills on it.

Nirvana > Hvergelmir always.

How is Fay Crozier a better weapon while meleeing if you can melee and use myrkr to recover MP I don't even understand that one... Smn's best melee weapons are Nirvana and Hvelgirmir (although for purely meleeing, that is, mp isn't an issue, Hvelgirmir is behind due to Myrkr dealing no damage and at 300% Nirvana gives approximately 45% OaT effect to both Smn and Avatar), there isn't better melee weapons for Smn aside from Claustum due to its higher base damage compared to the other to, not to mention the added Refresh effect on GoT and the 25% WS dmg boost at level 90.

Your Pup comparison is flawed because the Pup either did as much damage as the Puppet on melee friendly mobs, or post level cap easily outdamages it.

[Korpg]

How is Fay Crozier a better weapon while meleeing if you can melee and use myrkr to recover MP I don't even understand that one... Smn's best melee weapons are Nirvana and Hvelgirmir (although for purely meleeing, that is, mp isn't an issue, Hvelgirmir is behind due to Myrkr dealing no damage and at 300% Nirvana gives approximately 45% OaT effect to both Smn and Avatar), there isn't better melee weapons for Smn aside from Claustum due to its higher base damage compared to the other to, not to mention the added Refresh effect on GoT and the 25% WS dmg boost at level 90.

Your Pup comparison is flawed because the Pup either did as much damage as the Puppet on melee friendly mobs, or post level cap easily outdamages it.

It is a better weapon because you don't need the MP if you pack on avatar perp gear. A summoner with good staff skill won't miss often on stuff in Abyssea anyway. So what's keeping you from using Spirit Taker for MP recover?

If you use a Fay Crozier and use Garland of Bliss, you would do more damage over time than using a Hvelgirmir and using Myrkr. But even you have admitted that.

My point is that it is not the summoner who does the majority of the damage, it is the avatar. As for your retort on PUP, only an equipped PUP using a WHM frame would do more damage than its automation. I have seen many times before that the automation doing more damage than the master. But then again, I am not a puppetmaster, you might for all I know.

If you are going to get a good weapon, get Nirvana. It is much better than Hvergelmir and you don't need the Refresh from GoT if you gear up right.