Quote Originally Posted by Sirmarki View Post
Can you give me an example of 'what is a lot of effort'?
It was only yesterday that someone was asking for a few chapter 1's and ended up having to offer 2 million because nobody would help - then alas, when he did, someone came right out of the woodwork and took up their /yell.
First off, you don't know if they got help for free or it was paid. I've offered help with things for free when someone offered gil to help, so do many others. Secondly, why didn't you help? Do these help rules only apply to others and not you? "oh this person was shouting for ages and NOBODY helped at all, I was standing there watching for an hour and nobody helped"

Anyway, if someone wants help with chapters they should ask for help to clear a specific BCNM once or twice, if they make it seem like it could go on for ages people won't help. People like to have an idea how long something will take, they don't want to get stuck helping someone for ages they will get nothing from if that might need 8 chapters. The problem is, there are people who will take advantage of the good nature of others too, I've had this.

Things that people will help with (that I've seen people help with this week, or had help, or helped), a mission clear like rhaps final mission, a ambuscade clear for oboro, a piece of gear from a fairly easy NM like something from zitah, 3 mage gate, help with an assault mission, a quick bcnm clear, an AF NM kill.

If you want help, it should be a specific thing that isn't likely to take ages. If you say "I need 2 chapters, can someone help me clear the BCNM on Easy or N" then you are more likely to get help from someone that's bored than saying "I need some chapter 1s plz help"

Things that people are not going to help with, something that is boring, something that takes 30 minutes or more, something that needs more than 1 or 2 people and requires making a group, killing something with a drop you can sell for a lot, a UNM NM kill when you don't say "I need 2-3 kills", cause this could go on for ages or "I need a PL from 40-70, HELP ME PLZ"

It is common sense that if you're asking people to help you, it's going to take longer than if you offer gil. Why are you surprised by this? If you shout for help twice and then offer 2m you're going to get help right away. You're giving them something for their time and not asking someone to help you for no benefit.

I help people quite often, they even offer gil at the end when I didn't ask for it and didn't want it. The problem is everyone says nobody helps unless you give gil, and when someone gives you help for free they throw money at them anyway. Which is training everyone that they should take it and stop helping for free, people are also impatient. If you want free help, maybe you will have to shout for 30-60 mins, the world doesn't exist for your benefit.