Any new HNM coming?

[Orson]

You'll find plenty of botters who hate HNM, and that part of the community. Botting isn't restricted to HNMLS members.

Kings and such is where botting make the big impact though. There are plenty of fish bots and other types of programs but they don't impact other players as acutely.

The funny part is people like Natenn are so delusional. Nobody wants this game to end up ridiculously easy but long waits between being able do the content and forcing people to play at inappropriate hours makes no sense.

[Cream_Soda]

You'll find plenty of botters who hate HNM, and that part of the community. Botting isn't restricted to HNMLS members.

Never claimed you wouldn't but when it comes to like botting stuns or cures, that doesn't directly affect other players. When you bot claims, it does. This doesn't apply to only HNMs, its just a lot more common there. It also applies to regular NMs as well.

[Randwolf]

Also, make the drops Rare/Ex. That way you at least cut down on the campers to those who either want the item or those who have a purchaser in the zone.

[Runespider]

Having the best stuff should be earned, not givin to you on a silver plate like abyssea.

How did you earn it anyway? The drop rates were annoying if you were legit but since botting was so widespread certain shells dominated and got gear pretty quick, hell if you were a good claimer(by botting) you got priority for gear in the bot shells. Do you think the NMs were hard?..actually did you even kill the hard NMs? Were you among the first to kill AV, did you kill PW before the level increase, have you tried to destroy Rani with no curor buffs and atmas?

HNM were a piece of piss, Nidd, KB(lol), Aspid, Dark Ixion(shell on my server wiped continually to this over and over but again, easy NM), SW, Lambton worm, Cerb, Khim, Tiamat etc were all easy kills. So don't class that stuff as difficult endgame content, sticking though 3 hours of Dyna was harder.

[Swords]

How did you earn it anyway? The drop rates were annoying if you were legit but since botting was so widespread certain shells dominated and got gear pretty quick, hell if you were a good claimer(by botting) you got priority for gear in the bot shells. Do you think the NMs were hard?..actually did you even kill the hard NMs? Were you among the first to kill AV, did you kill PW before the level increase, have you tried to destroy Rani with no curor buffs and atmas?

HNM were a piece of piss, Nidd, KB(lol), Aspid, Dark Ixion(shell on my server wiped continually to this over and over but again, easy NM), SW, Lambton worm, Cerb, Khim, Tiamat etc were all easy kills. So don't class that stuff as difficult endgame content, sticking though 3 hours of Dyna was harder.

Thats partially true, pre-ToAU most bot's werent that sophisticated and people did have a fair chance to claim. Granted there were exceptions to this rule, a guy we used to call SuperRaplh on Asura used to do all the claiming for his shell with a custom packetsniffer bot and usually claimed unless it popped before he got there or he had some computer problem like lag. I'm just thankful he never gave the sourcecode to others to bot with.

Anyways, HNM's have been around since pre-CoP so roughly 8-9 years now. In that time (even before the level raise) gear has significantly become better, most blowing the older stuff out of the water. If you tried comparing optimal endgame gear on RDM at 75 back then versus gear just before Abyssea came out you'd laugh. Given the community has gotten a better grasp on game mechanics, it still doesn't change the fact players got upgrades while the HNM's pretty much stayed the same.

And before anyone says it, rage timers were put in specifically to keep people from holding a HNM/NM for long periods of time till friends got on or it moved into their timezone.

[Natenn]

Its like arguing with a broken record...not debating this over and over. Reread my old posts.

[Karbuncle]

Its like arguing with a broken record...not debating this over and over. Reread my old posts.

The same could be said for you though, Or any human who is set in their ideals.

Its Obvious when people with conflicting ideas and Ideals interact on a common subject, They will each defend themselves to hell and back.

Some arguments are bound to come back to the same basic reasoning

[Psubond]

naten, you play on ps2 and want to go back to the days of old school hnm. you embody the worst cancers of this game.

[LeaderofAtlantis]

I've often wondered why the 3 Zilart Beastmen don't have HNM Leaders. I mean, the 3 original Beastmen have soloable leaders now, sure, but the Zilart Beastmen have never had such leaders. It would be cool to finally see them get leaders. I mean having an Antican that looks like no other or a Sahagin or Tonberry that looks like no other would be great I think. I also wouldn't mind seeing a more formidable boss for the Gigas make an appearance. He could appear in Vunkerl in the past so as not to hinder people in Delkfutt's Tower doing Zilart Missions or A Crystalline Prophecy.

And as a side note, since I mentioned it - why not have a path for us to finally re-enter the present day versions of Grauberg, Vunkerl, and For Karugo-Narugo. Maybe have a story line that explains the reason they were sealed off were to keep some of the most dangerous creatures trapped, but being adventurers, we want to see what awaits us, obviously. So you could have 3 zones to put new HNMs. Grauberg, for example, I always felt had the potential to have a crazy HNM up at the very top where you can look out and see the Crag of Dem amongst all the Wyverns.

[woie]

the real life card? well played sir, well played.


Edit: i would be happy, why add the best gear to stuff that can be spammed? at least with HNM you see who really put the time/work in to earn it.

no what you see are A) elietist pricks who stood on evryone to get it or B) botters