PLEASE REMOVE OR LESSEN RESTRICTIONS ON GARDENING FOR NEW PLAYERS

[Hoshi]

Oh, for the love of all that is holy, please stop posting this BS. Only a handful of people relative to FFXI's population were banned. More were slapped on the wrist than banned, and RMT were around LONG LONG after the salvage bannings. Everyone who was banned deserved it. Stop acting like this was a majority of high level players or something, because that's just plain false. The STF has done it's job, it is ridiculous to argue that something like banning a few cheaters/exploiters ruined the economy. The salvage bannings were about removing people exploiting bugs, it had absolutely nothing to do with RMT.

I disagree with the sentiment that salvage bans did not take out a lot of high level players. 2/3rds of my friends list were either banned by salvage bans or quit in response to the fact that their friends were banned. The only reason I was not banned is because I left my salvage group one week before they started duping (my entire salvage ls was banned aside from the two members who left the shell before it started duping). I watched 3 of the prominent end-game shells on asura crumble because of salvage bans. I don't know how much these bannings culled RMT activity but they definitely reduced the end-game population on asura by quite a bit.

[Glamdring]

Leave the restrictions in place. I hate RMT and it doesn't take THAT long for legitimate players to get to be able to garden

[Rambus]

Leave the restrictions in place. I hate RMT and it doesn't take THAT long for legitimate players to get to be able to garden

did you read my post? it can try to effect RMT all it wants but it does not stop RMT or make RMT happen any less.

all it does is have less gil thus higher prices for gil.

No these countermeasures are meaningless, get rid of them. They harm real players and the entry of new players then it does to rmt.

I am talking about the cap of sending gil in the mail and other such "countermeasures" i do not know about.

Like that rep tp replay to my post and show the STF/ DEV team the truth

I went for a taru this time. Chaz, my friend I hate so much, gave me 100k to get started. He bought me a pair of astrals (you know, because taru have 50 HP to be giving up early on) and a couple pieces of noob gear. He probably spent 200k on gear. I'm in the game for 3 days, am told about Abyssea, purchase both expansions, and THEN I come home to being banned the next day for RMT activities.

http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic...-hate-friends/

RMT are bad but SE does not do RMT countermeasures in the right way like what this topic is about. if you cannot do it right do not do it at all.

Get rid of these in game program countermeasures, they do nothing, they harm real players more then RMT.

If you want to know how to do free trails look what WoW does, No need just to get rid of it

[Starcade]

The only way you can really get to the point where you could remove the restrictions is to end what has been the single most RMT-enabling thing in the game: The Free Trial itself.

[Rambus]

I take you don't know what it is like on wow's trail

you cannot send tells ( only replay to them)
you cannot send party invites ( maybe? not sure been a while)
you cannot trade people or accpet trades.

sounds pretty anti rmt to me.

since wow does not have gardening you can toss that in there too i guess, gil limit, so on. ( think wow had some gold cap too was not a lot be like holding 10k or 100k gil)

[Alhanelem]

I disagree with the sentiment that salvage bans did not take out a lot of high level players. 2/3rds of my friends list were either banned by salvage bans or quit in response to the fact that their friends were banned.

Maybe "2/3s" of your friends list were either dupers or angry that friends didn't get away with it, but your personal friend list does not represent the majority of your server's population. For every salvage group that cheated, there were several that didn't.

Further, the only way these people could have had an impact on RMT activity is if they were RMT customers, which itself is also a violation of the terms of service and grounds for banning.

It's not like these rules were alien and unkown to anyone. None of these people had anyone to blame for breaking the rules but themselves. But again, these people are a minority. Any smart person who cared about their own account would have realized after the first time it happened that "hmm, breaking an alliance in salvage duplicates items. That's probably not intended. Maybe I shouldn't do that."

The only way you can really get to the point where you could remove the restrictions is to end what has been the single most RMT-enabling thing in the game: The Free Trial itself.

They've already done that. At least, on official channels. The retail game site (e.g. the flash site that encourages people to buy the game) used to have a prominently displayed free trial button. That link is gone and I can't see any way to get a free trial key. So as far as I can tell, the 2 week free trial no longer exists. All there is now is the 30 day free period with a new account.

[GlobalVariable]

Hey everyone,

We definitely understand your concerns about the restrictions on gardening for new players and also for current players that create new characters. We will talk to STF about this and see what is possible.

However, please keep in mind that the currently low amount of RMT activity is mainly due to these kind of countermeasures, so it might not be so easy to loosen up on these restrictions as there is a high possibility that RMT activity will grow once again if we ease up.

We will keep you posted on any info we receive.

A suggestion: check the age of the account rather than the age of the character. RMT mainly used trial accounts for gardening didn't they?

I disagree with the sentiment that salvage bans did not take out a lot of high level players.

I noticed that at least on my server a lot of people who were banned had spare accounts "just in case". So it was like nothing happened to them. They had no serious attachment to the character they lost and just spent the day after complaining on their alts. Some even knew of some method of hiding salvage gear they had duped on alts and I reported the method to the STF. Can still find webstes describing how to use malformed packets to pull it off with a quick google search. So yeah, accounts got banned..But most of the same people came right back.

[Rambus]

Maybe "2/3s" of your friends list were either dupers or angry that friends didn't get away with it, but your personal friend list does not represent the majority of your server's population. For every salvage group that cheated, there were several that didn't.

You are very ignorant, you where not on asura. I was actally when that happened. I think all the major ls broke or fell but one, witch would be chorma, an EU engame ls. The game felt so empty after those bans it was not funny. the person you quoted is correct, do not sit here acting like most people did not get effected, it hurt and effected a LOT of people.

you can sit here and say "cheaters got what they diservered" all you want, but i disagree with what SE did with savage and the impact it had on the comuinty.

the game would not be such in a dieing state if SE did not ban anyone ( including the mass xmas RMT bannings)


if you only want to be on one server with 2000 people because SE bans everyone that uses windower be my guest, not something i want.

I will say it again, get rid of all these worthless "countermeasures" all they do is hurt real people, does little to curve RMT, all it does is make prices per gil higher cuz they can't get as much.

give back the 2 week trial with the resistions wow does and everyone will be happier.

[Komori]

It's not to go without mentioning that the Goblin Bots ruined a great deal of EXP camps (why people intially started leaving the dunes and qufim etc.) And RMT could just level themselves to get around it.

[Alhanelem]

You are very ignorant, you where not on asura.

So are you saying Asura was the Cheaters, Botters, and Dupers server? Not a place I'd want to be.

I'm not ignorant. You are making the problem out to be many times worse than it really was. People banned were a minority, plain and simple, no matter what server you were on (unless, as you suggested, Asura is where all the cheaters congregated).

But the long and short of this is banning cheaters is not a countermeasure against RMT, nor did it have a drastic long term effect on the player population.

The game would be in a MORE dying state if SE did not ban anyone. If people thought and knew they could get away with duping and such, everyone would be doing it and then it would be impossible for legit people to enjoy the game. Then those people would leave and all that would be left are the cheaters. Banning a few people for breaking the rules is better than no one being able to enjoy the game because those people weren't banned.

When you sign up for the game you agree to the rules they set forth. If you break them, you pay the price.