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  1. #151
    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    RNG is a different story. It should never get march outside of maybe 1-2 Situations, as they generally do NOTHING for Ranged Attacks in ANY WAY. If i remember Ranged attack is calculated completely different than Melee Attack. So you will be hard pressed to cap Ranged Attack without massive buffs. Melee-Damage is not the same.

    As for your WAR, You're looking entirely too much on Spike E-PEEN DMG. Thats what terrible SAMs and DRKs who fulltime STR Gear do. Your WS may average lower, But you will attack significantly more, and in turn WS more than you would with a Minuet combo. In the end this will average March/March significantly higher than March/Minuet. or any other Minuet/based combo.

    Double March is the correct for 99% of situations for any DD, Even Delay-overflow as specified for NINs/DNCs is moot, since any good one will have gear to accommodate this. Most. Not all.
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    Any BRD who only uses March falls into one of these categories:
    1. A BRD who placates melees who don't know what they're talking about.
    2. A BRD who is just lazy.
    3. A BRD who leeched in Abyssea and came to a forum where someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about told them to use double March in all but the "hopelessly unrealistic" situations.

    And FWIW, If your ATK is 700 and it goes up 70, that doesn't mean your damage output goes up 10%.
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    Ranger is a completely different beast and Ranged Attack/fStr2 does not work the same way as with melee DDs. March is, of course, also completely useless for a RNG so I'm not sure where they were brought into this at all.

    Even if you're not capped on Attack, you are still experiencing decreasing returns when your attack level is high already. Haste has increasing returns. You may hit 4k RRs more often with Minuet 5, but you are doing less overall damage than you would if you had a second March.
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    Some people just look for easy trends to latch onto like the latest fad. "Stick with this until the crowd changes its mind". Spam ACC... no, wait, STR now! Wait, Haste!
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    I know RNG is different, who said i was only talking about RNG?

    and like i said you have to assume fulltime on mobs witch may not be the case.

    NMs you may have DD run in and out, EXP you can get TP in like 2 hits if you are lucky and WS killshot.

    you are funnnuh if you think a lot of people compasate for cap delay overflow, most people don't even know about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Spending Gil = Game balance, next question please tia
    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    They're reading and agreeing that these are very good ideas.... to be implemented to rune fencer.

    Just like any good suggestions in the RDM thread get applied to SCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenshibaby View Post
    Any BRD who only uses March falls into one of these categories:
    1. A BRD who Knows basic Math
    2. A BRD who Understands the importance of Attack Speed, and its impact in WS frequency
    3. A BRD who ls Intelligent enough to understand how in most situations, March is the best solution, as it will offer the most overall increase in DPS and Weaponskill Frequency, adding to higher over-all Melee proficiency and Damage output of respectable DD.
    I fixed that for you, I slip up all the time don't feel bad about it.
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenshibaby View Post
    Any BRD who only uses March falls into one of these categories:
    1. A BRD who placates melees who don't know what they're talking about.
    2. A BRD who is just lazy.
    3. A BRD who leeched in Abyssea and came to a forum where someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about told them to use double March in all but the "hopelessly unrealistic" situations.

    And FWIW, If your ATK is 700 and it goes up 70, that doesn't mean your damage output goes up 10%.
    @Last line, no shit. It's just a look at relative increases.

    Tell me then, in all seriousness, what monster would you be fighting now where you would use something that is not March+March? Seriously, all you're doing is throwing around insults screaming that "Shit is situational", which everyone with half a brain knows, but you won't bring up a SINGLE counterpoint.

    Not one.

    Not in this entire thread have you provided ONE counterpoint. ONE situation which would validate your claims.

    What songs would you use over March+March, and where/when would you use them? Go.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenshibaby View Post
    Some people just look for easy trends to latch onto like the latest fad. "Stick with this until the crowd changes its mind". Spam ACC... no, wait, STR now! Wait, Haste!
    Thats not a fad/trend*, Thats called evolving Playstyles and evolving intellect in the average player.

    Accuracy has always been important, The reason its not Top-King today is because of Level-Correction and overwhelming skill levels. To the point where most jobs can afford to Full-on haste and still cap Accuracy.

    I don't remember a time where STR was prefered over haste.

    Haste has always been Important, If we had our knowledge of the games mechanics today, back in 2004, We'd all be still trying to fit on as much haste as possible while capping Accuracy.

    As The players knowledge evolves, so does the best gear options. You can even look at the JP plastyle on BLU for example. The JP prefer to use M.ACC on BLU spells to proc Added-Effects, rather than go for raw damage. its a playstyle adapted by the Common person due to its proficiency. While NA generally prefer to Maximize Damage potential.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 04-02-2011 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    What songs would you use over March+March, and where/when would you use them? Go.
    my sam/war. haste and attack plz

    or attack attack if im suck outside aoe range XD
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    Last edited by Rambus; 04-02-2011 at 12:37 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Spending Gil = Game balance, next question please tia
    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    They're reading and agreeing that these are very good ideas.... to be implemented to rune fencer.

    Just like any good suggestions in the RDM thread get applied to SCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambus View Post
    my sam/war. haste and attack plz
    You're entitled to what you want, But it doesn't change that in plain math, That's an Obsoleted combo. March/March is going to give you Much more damage output, ESPECIALLY considering the Massive Attack boost Y/G/K Receive, making Attack next to useless on your Weaponskills.
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