Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Dubberrucky]

Well,now a days is very hard to level a job w/o have friends that let you leech from level 30 to 75, since no one wants exp party and either want a unknown leech in their aby group, and more if is a new player that gets his first level 30 and doesnt ever have cruor for key whoring.
It's sad that you need other people to make you the favor and let you get your levels, and that's what happens today.
For us, old players, there is no problem, we have our friends and all our shit done.
But for new players its not fair, and if we want the game to last long time we need to think on new players too as the old players will eventually get tired and leave, and someone has to join the game for replace them.
i'm not against leeching since ive done and i will do it if it remains of course.
But honestly, something has to be made for the low levels, even if it means raise the cap of abyssea to 70 or 75, not returning back to the past of course, they have enhanced the exp already, raise the exp again if needed, make it equal to what we would be getting in abyssea, but make people work for it, if you go with a level 30, that level 30 should be doing something, leeching isnt play the game.
And im sure that exp outside abyssea were as easy to get as inside, old people wouldnt mind in exp outside, or keywhoring is more fun that actually playing the job?

And bingo someone gets the whole point of the discussion

[Dubberrucky]

btw Greatgaurdian, Seis, and rog (who posted else ware that he doesn't even play but meh) you have all still missed the point is this is all opinion.

[rog]

rog (who posted else ware that he doesn't even play but meh)

Is that important? I played from 2003, up until a month or two ago, and have been keeping up with new things.

[Dubberrucky]

because its rather silly to be so defensive about something that doesn't effect you but that's your choice so meh not worth to take your opinion into account but out of courtesy point it out to you as well that you still missed the point.

[Kraggy]

btw Greatgaurdian, Seis, and rog (who posted else ware that he doesn't even play but meh) you have all still missed the point is this is all opinion.

Rog doesn't recognise the validity of opinions other than his own, so sometimes he fails to see the point.

[rog]

because its rather silly to be so defensive about something that doesn't effect you but that's your choice so meh not worth to take your opinion into account but out of courtesy point it out to you as well that you still missed the point.

Right, clearly because i'm not playing right now, means my opinion is worthless.

[Starcade]

I'm assuming you're trying to troll me, but instead of getting angry I'll just explain.

1) Stupid people are everywhere.

And you're missing my point. It's as if intelligence is actually a defect or a disability in our society.

(FAR beyond FFXI)

2) Leveling in any way (leeching, traditional, level sync, astral flow burn, TPburn, SC+MB, campaigning, EXP Scroll questing) will not alter their stupidity. Pretending it will is in and of itself, stupid, as there's no way to raise a persons intelligence level (significantly, anyway).

But there's at least a chance these people might get a few blunt blows to the head and be shown actually how to play a game rather than get to level 75 BLM with ZERO magic skill. (*cough*RMT*cough*)

3) Stop playing and associating with the stupid people, and your problem will be solved. Smart people, regardless of how they leveled, will have leveled their skills, gotten their spells, and spend extra time getting quest weapon skills and so on and so forth. Any whining and complaining you are doing can be solved by not playing with the stupid people.

You're missing the point.

There are SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE that to not associate with them means dissociating oneself from pretty much everything, and, again, that goes far beyond FFXI.

I couldn't play FFXI without associating with stupid people. Hence, my blacklist is straining to the maximum.

My point is that, no matter how many stupid people you think there are, there are far more than you expect.

[tarolin]

actually i think it should be level 50 or 60 to enter abyssea , i think thats a fair number then maybe we would have better players in the game =P

[Xilk]

And bingo someone gets the whole point of the discussion

Except its not. They just doubled XP. Sorry even if you have no friends and have to solo the whole thing, exp up is not that hard anymore.

furthermore, you are taking far too narrow of a tact here.

You are prescribing how everyone else should play to meet how you want it.

You are assuming you are arguing w/ people who want to leech.
I leeched my support jobs from 37 up to 50. Why? I don't want to re-gear jobs I am not going to play except for support jobs.

I want to be able to leech more support jobs up, but even moreso, I want to use my AoE nuking blu to help friends out and help them up a few jobs.

You are going to run into the same problem burning a level 75 job straight up to 90 also. They are going to be underskilled, and under geared.

I also took by bluemage up from level 63 in abyssea. I was decently geared at 63, but by 75 I had garbage, at 77 I had a decent base set (aurore) and the rest was garbage. I had plenty of good atma though. I played Healer as blu/whm at that level. At 77 i switched to melee.

Because of my atma, I was plenty effective for a full alliance for exp. It took a little bit of work to finish out my spell sets and finish my skill ups... I suffered from all the downsides to leveling quickly in abyssea vs leveling slowly. However, I was very useful to the alliances because I was smart about how I played.

Level floor increase for abyssea will NOT change this. It is not worth putting a needless time sync in front of the majority of players.

[tarolin]

thats true exp is doubled and skill ups are easier i just hope either exp gets reworked on abyssea so that its not as important. Also i remember seeing a post where someone said , i dont want to level the old way ....... playing the game is the old way.